Very impressed with V10
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Very impressed with V10
Hello,
I have been reading for awhile, checking on what you guys have to say about the V10. I have never created any posts before, but after this weekend I had to write in.
I have been in the auto industry for a long time. Worked for chevy, Ford ect.
So personally I have driven alot of trucks of all brands and to be honest since 2001 they all have been diesels. I like diesels, owned a Duramax and powerstroke and a cummings. You can hang me later but my opinion is the Powerstroke is the worst diesel in the best truck.
Anyways this truck crossed my path, 2004 F250 crew cab Lariat with a V10 and the price was cheap, has 57k on it and this truck is so clean I swear it looks brand new. But V10"s are hard to sell and they don't give much on trades for thesse. So I bought it. I have towed 3 times, once 58 impala complete car on a car trailer, truck had no problem. no down shifting. Then 66 mustang on car trailer, again no problem. This weekend was 13K 32ft trailer, whole family, full of water, toys, and you know how many things the wife can bring. About 450 mile round trip down hill going, more than 1/2 uphill comming home. Very Very impressed. I never thought a gas motor would pull like that. The last time I pulled anything with a gas motor was 1998 and it was awful. I think this engine is the best kept towing secert on the market. The manufacturer needs to do a better job of marketing this stuff. Half the truck owners out there have no idea about this engine. I like diesels don't get me wrong, but most of the diesels out there on the freeway are pulling less than 10k. This truck would do it like it's not back there for thousands less. Not diesel bashing, they are good trucks. Just comparing, with MY opinion. I'm done, sorry so long. Just very suprised with the performance, very happy with the truck.
I have been reading for awhile, checking on what you guys have to say about the V10. I have never created any posts before, but after this weekend I had to write in.
I have been in the auto industry for a long time. Worked for chevy, Ford ect.
So personally I have driven alot of trucks of all brands and to be honest since 2001 they all have been diesels. I like diesels, owned a Duramax and powerstroke and a cummings. You can hang me later but my opinion is the Powerstroke is the worst diesel in the best truck.
Anyways this truck crossed my path, 2004 F250 crew cab Lariat with a V10 and the price was cheap, has 57k on it and this truck is so clean I swear it looks brand new. But V10"s are hard to sell and they don't give much on trades for thesse. So I bought it. I have towed 3 times, once 58 impala complete car on a car trailer, truck had no problem. no down shifting. Then 66 mustang on car trailer, again no problem. This weekend was 13K 32ft trailer, whole family, full of water, toys, and you know how many things the wife can bring. About 450 mile round trip down hill going, more than 1/2 uphill comming home. Very Very impressed. I never thought a gas motor would pull like that. The last time I pulled anything with a gas motor was 1998 and it was awful. I think this engine is the best kept towing secert on the market. The manufacturer needs to do a better job of marketing this stuff. Half the truck owners out there have no idea about this engine. I like diesels don't get me wrong, but most of the diesels out there on the freeway are pulling less than 10k. This truck would do it like it's not back there for thousands less. Not diesel bashing, they are good trucks. Just comparing, with MY opinion. I'm done, sorry so long. Just very suprised with the performance, very happy with the truck.
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,394
Likes: 104
From: Southern KS
I have never owned a diesel but with 457 foot pounds from 415 cubic inches without forced induction, Ford really did something right.
Think about it. How many other factory gas motors can beat that ratio?
Think about it. How many other factory gas motors can beat that ratio?
Posting Guru
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,713
Likes: 16
Darrin, good to see the V10 towing ability is getting more well known. Just today I saw an elderly gent with an 99 SD and I saw the V10 emblem on the side. I asked him how he liked it and got the standard love it, tows like a dream response. With a PSD you have a 50-50 chance of starting a rant............this piece of $%&*.........LOL.
FTE Leadership Emeritus
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 42,561
Likes: 423
From: Long Island USA
Originally Posted by Darin300
I think this engine is the best kept towing secert on the market.
The funny thing is, the flat torque curve of this motor is impressive - without any turbo or other forced air induction, it puts out 80% of it torque at only 1000RPMs.
Best kept secret is right - Corporate politics being what it is, I'm sure the diesel arm of Ford is doing their best to keep the lid on the V10.
Trending Topics
More Turbo
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 681
Likes: 11
FTE Stories
Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalytic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer
Joe Kucinski
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)
Brett Foote
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies
Joe Kucinski
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make
Brett Foote
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!
Michael S. Palmer
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home
Verdad Gallardo
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!
Joe Kucinski
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?
Brett Foote
Junior User
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
With the Ford 6.0 diesel being so problematic for Ford and it's customers, many people stumbled on this V10 jewel by accident. Imagine how obscure the V10 would be if the Ford diesel had been a success. This FTE V10 site isn't the only place praising the V10, I spend time over at the Trailer Life Magazine site and usually without exception the owners of pickups and motorhomes with the V10 give the motor high marks, especially on the V10 being such a reliable power plant. The marine research lab I work for here in the pacific northwest uses the Ford V10's to tow their 10,000 to 15,000 lb boats all over the place. Haven't heard of an engine problems so far. When the V10 trucks first arrived here some years ago, the drivers protested that they wanted diesel trucks but after using the V10 for awhile they changed their tune. The 3 valve motors we have now are even more impressive. I drive these V10's empty from time to time to run errands and the experience is so enjoyable I'm looking for one to buy for my personal use.
Senior User
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
From: Edson Ab. Canada
My turn to talk up the V10.... improved performance with some minor changes.
I have a 2002 F350 SRW Crew cab Lariat. V10 6 speed standard.3.73 diff. I special ordered this truck. With all the bells and whistles in Feb 2002.
I also have a 2007 F350 SRW Crew Cab Lariat, with a 6.0L power stroke. auto transmision. 3.73 diff.
I owned a 2000 XL crew cab long box with the V10 and a 5 speed standard. That truck could pull!!! At 5000 rpm in 3rd gear, I could do 80 km per hour, up a very steep long hill. Pulling a 28ft 5th wheel with a 16 ft fiberglass ski boat behind the trailer ( In Alberta, we are aloud to "B train" up to 65.5ft bumber to prop) as long as the middle trailer is a 5th wheel. The 2000 had no rev limit on it. I could go to 6500 rpm in what ever gear I wanted, and that engine purred. I never did go over 6500, but was told the computer would stop it when it wanted too, so I don't really know how high it would rev. I was scared to go any higher. To make a long story short. I liked the truck very much, I didn't like the interior package though. So I special ordered the 2002. With the same V10 a 6 speed standard,(couldn't get the 5 speed anymore) and 3.73 diff's. I wanted to get mileage as well as be able to pull what I wanted. I found the miliage really variable. Empty on the highway with cruz control at 110km/hr it would give me about 20 mpg. But as soon as I hooked onto a Four horse trailer with living quarters, It dropped to 9 mpg. I wanted to improve the millage under load. So I installed a K&N filter, (not the cold air intake system, just the filter) I then removed the catilatic converter. This created a major increase in power and torque. Then I found the 1.5" restriction at the Y pipe, and could not understand how Ford would reduce the 2" manifold pipe to 1.5, then dump to a 3" pipe the rest of the way. (my mechanic friend told me that was how they would get more bottom end torque) The "Y" when removed, had the right side going into the pipe at a 90 degree angle. Forcing the air flow from the Left side to push the right side out the 3". I found a modified Y for the V10 on ebay. It made for a smooth transition from the manifolds, to the 3" pipe. WOW.... when that was installed it made a world of difference in power. I would now say the 310 horse V10 is probably very close to 350hp now. There was a noticeable increase in the bark between 2000 rpm and 3000, on the exhaust system as well. And I still have some torque too! I thought the truck pulled good when it was stock. but now it really gets going. the miliage increased while pulling from 9 to about 11 mpg. What I have also found is the V10 will out pull my 2007 F350 diesel off the line. But the difference is after you are up to speed. The slightest hill and your dropping gears on the 02. But with the 07, the diesel seams to hold better on the highway. The old saying.... "It takes hp to get you going.... but it takes torque to keep it there". I like how the diesel pulls on the highway, But it doesn't want to move from a dead stop, with a full load hooked to it. The v10 is the other way around....
So since I have both the V10 and the diesel. I find myself leaning to the diesel for most of the horse trailer pulling..... But it might also have something to do with the fact the 07 is new too......
I have looked into chips for the V10.... I was told that a chip would give better mpg. but as soon as you want to pull I would have to go to High test gas, to keep it from pinging. ???? Can't see a savings there since high test is $1.15 per liter.
I have a 2002 F350 SRW Crew cab Lariat. V10 6 speed standard.3.73 diff. I special ordered this truck. With all the bells and whistles in Feb 2002.
I also have a 2007 F350 SRW Crew Cab Lariat, with a 6.0L power stroke. auto transmision. 3.73 diff.
I owned a 2000 XL crew cab long box with the V10 and a 5 speed standard. That truck could pull!!! At 5000 rpm in 3rd gear, I could do 80 km per hour, up a very steep long hill. Pulling a 28ft 5th wheel with a 16 ft fiberglass ski boat behind the trailer ( In Alberta, we are aloud to "B train" up to 65.5ft bumber to prop) as long as the middle trailer is a 5th wheel. The 2000 had no rev limit on it. I could go to 6500 rpm in what ever gear I wanted, and that engine purred. I never did go over 6500, but was told the computer would stop it when it wanted too, so I don't really know how high it would rev. I was scared to go any higher. To make a long story short. I liked the truck very much, I didn't like the interior package though. So I special ordered the 2002. With the same V10 a 6 speed standard,(couldn't get the 5 speed anymore) and 3.73 diff's. I wanted to get mileage as well as be able to pull what I wanted. I found the miliage really variable. Empty on the highway with cruz control at 110km/hr it would give me about 20 mpg. But as soon as I hooked onto a Four horse trailer with living quarters, It dropped to 9 mpg. I wanted to improve the millage under load. So I installed a K&N filter, (not the cold air intake system, just the filter) I then removed the catilatic converter. This created a major increase in power and torque. Then I found the 1.5" restriction at the Y pipe, and could not understand how Ford would reduce the 2" manifold pipe to 1.5, then dump to a 3" pipe the rest of the way. (my mechanic friend told me that was how they would get more bottom end torque) The "Y" when removed, had the right side going into the pipe at a 90 degree angle. Forcing the air flow from the Left side to push the right side out the 3". I found a modified Y for the V10 on ebay. It made for a smooth transition from the manifolds, to the 3" pipe. WOW.... when that was installed it made a world of difference in power. I would now say the 310 horse V10 is probably very close to 350hp now. There was a noticeable increase in the bark between 2000 rpm and 3000, on the exhaust system as well. And I still have some torque too! I thought the truck pulled good when it was stock. but now it really gets going. the miliage increased while pulling from 9 to about 11 mpg. What I have also found is the V10 will out pull my 2007 F350 diesel off the line. But the difference is after you are up to speed. The slightest hill and your dropping gears on the 02. But with the 07, the diesel seams to hold better on the highway. The old saying.... "It takes hp to get you going.... but it takes torque to keep it there". I like how the diesel pulls on the highway, But it doesn't want to move from a dead stop, with a full load hooked to it. The v10 is the other way around....
So since I have both the V10 and the diesel. I find myself leaning to the diesel for most of the horse trailer pulling..... But it might also have something to do with the fact the 07 is new too......
I have looked into chips for the V10.... I was told that a chip would give better mpg. but as soon as you want to pull I would have to go to High test gas, to keep it from pinging. ???? Can't see a savings there since high test is $1.15 per liter.
Senior User
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 188
Likes: 0
From: North Augusta, SC
Match truck to job.
One thing you said really hit the nail on the head: Most of the diesels out there are pulling less than 10k pounds.
On the rv forums I frequent, I get so jacked when these guys brag about their diesel this and that getting 11 - 12 mpg. "I have my dually, long bed, diesel blah blah." Well when you look at their sigs and the weight they are pulling, it is usually a small travel trailer or fiver weighing less than 10k. They aren't putting any stress on those trucks. I shake my head.
They then go on to talk about how a gas motor can't pull anything, and their proof is they lived with a HORRIBLE GAS MOTOR EXPERIENCE FOR YEARS. When you watch their posts, you figure out they pulled a 9,000 lb travel trailer with a 4.6L engine and 3.55 gears. Guess what: It wound it lungs out in the hills! Now Mr. Diesel has gone from way too little truck for the job to overkill. Fifteen grand trailer, forty grand truck, "justified" because his gas motor couldn't pull his trailer, and he convinced his SO that he had to have a diesel.
I matched my truck and fiver to each other, and can tell you that my truck freaking hammers! Guess what? I enjoy my truck when pulling, I get a consistent 9mpg or more (except for my trip out west pulling through CO and NM), and it is a silent partner. At stoplights or sitting at a campground, you can't tell it's running. That's my idea of the perfect truck.
Michael
On the rv forums I frequent, I get so jacked when these guys brag about their diesel this and that getting 11 - 12 mpg. "I have my dually, long bed, diesel blah blah." Well when you look at their sigs and the weight they are pulling, it is usually a small travel trailer or fiver weighing less than 10k. They aren't putting any stress on those trucks. I shake my head.
They then go on to talk about how a gas motor can't pull anything, and their proof is they lived with a HORRIBLE GAS MOTOR EXPERIENCE FOR YEARS. When you watch their posts, you figure out they pulled a 9,000 lb travel trailer with a 4.6L engine and 3.55 gears. Guess what: It wound it lungs out in the hills! Now Mr. Diesel has gone from way too little truck for the job to overkill. Fifteen grand trailer, forty grand truck, "justified" because his gas motor couldn't pull his trailer, and he convinced his SO that he had to have a diesel.
I matched my truck and fiver to each other, and can tell you that my truck freaking hammers! Guess what? I enjoy my truck when pulling, I get a consistent 9mpg or more (except for my trip out west pulling through CO and NM), and it is a silent partner. At stoplights or sitting at a campground, you can't tell it's running. That's my idea of the perfect truck.
Michael