tru training is what counts half of the time.......

 

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Yes, you're right the attitude problem belongs to the untrained dog, big or small. And I too have known several "nice" and sweet pits, and responsible pit owners.

The real problem is if just about any other dog goes off on you, you still have a chance of defending yourself, even if all you do is wrap a shirt around your arm to give it something to bite while the gun arrives. (And with the aforementioned small dog, you punt it over the fence) . But with a pit bull and it's jaw strength and bred in unwillingness to disengage, you're screwed.

Sorry, but IMHO, pits are not worth the potential damage they represent. No matter how well trained, there may still be an unknown trigger waiting. If not outlawed, they should require spay/neutering except for licensed breeders, and all pits and pit crosses (and similar dogs) need to be muzzled when in public. BIG penalties if this is disregarded, and/or if injury occurs.

At home, it's up to you if you want to risk your family.

 

i could care less how good/behaved a pit might be, im a dod lover and owner my whole life, i do not feel comfortable around them.

they definately are a risk at all times, its a proven fact. you have owners for years with no issues, and all of sudden one night a one of the children gets inhaled.
its on the news all the time.

definately much better breeds to own out there, especially for household pets.

 

true.

but most people would rather spend there time training a dog to sit, or not to drop logs on the carpet.

with a useless breed like that, what are you training them about??? how not to sink there teeth into everything that moves?

rotties-not that bright,but at least more controlling, and friendly.
dobermands--owned them, ok dog, at least not a household killer.
german sheps-great dog
pitbul-king of the dog fighting pits.

 

I spent 4 years working for professional dog trainers: one was field trials and the other rotts for police...the one dog I woould never own with children is a rott, and that was drilled into me by the owner trainer who had 30+ dogs at any given time. He and his wife had no children and said if they would not have children around rotts; his own rots attacked him in his house-he killed the dog with his bare hands and then went to get 186! stitches..they go through a "personality" change in their life usually around 2 years...sometimes its mild other times extreme. Rotts are the one dog breed I still fear most although the only dog to ever bite my bad enough to require stitches was a german shepard when I was 6. The guy across the street from me had 2 rotts who each bit 2 of his children on 3 different occasions all requiring stitches...he finally gave them away where they proceeded to bit 2 other children before being put down. Read the history of the pit breed before you jump to conclusions...they were bred to fight other dogs. It IS dependent on training; HOWEVER inbreeding can result in "mental instability"

 

i have owned four pits in the past my most recent is outside drooling as i speak, great dog great companion, BY FAR NOT A WORTHLESS BREED, it is unfortunate that latley the breed has become a status symbol for" thugs or gangsters" ,damn near every rap video or so called music video these dogs are shown as viscous, feeding to the media just want they want so they can scare you with a dog bite case right before bed on the 10:00 news, because nobody wants to hear about a lab or a beagle or goldie, bite someone, thats not scary enough, yes be responsible with these dogs, all dogs for that point oh, yes i was charged with harrasment 2, as was the *** that lives next to me, its funny , since the day i moved in and meet the dude , i could tell that some place in his worthless head that he thinks he is a real bad ***, like a stone cold steve austin, well the idiot got his *** handed to him QUICK and now he runs to a lawyer, i'm not worried i got the best lawyer that i can't afford, i will keep yall posted

 

JUst as with any other breed of dog there are a few bad apples in the group. Much depends on the genetics of the specific bloodlines. Now while it may be difficult if not impossible to breed out the dog aggression training, dicsipline, socialization and the proper living environment will have a tremendous impact on the behavior of each animal. You can never predict what nuance will set off any dog and trigger an attack response, it doesn't matter what breed it is. Just happens that some pitbulls because of the availablility of the breed get into the wrong and or inexperinced hands which allow certain traits to dominat. Pitbulls are bred to fight simple as that, that is the STANDARD. If you look at the breed standards for an Amstaff, Staffy or Bully you will not find any where in the description about fighting ability/gameness. If I recall correctly without going back to the reference, the Amstaff is supposed to be docile. THe bull terrier is full of fire yet amindable to discipline. So in essence that is what responsible breeders breed to meet in thier prospective litters. However like I said, "responsible" and now and then certain undesireable genes crop back up and if not recocgnized can cause problems. And just like in any other breed that has risen suddenly in popularity, which in reality people always want to make a buck from the offspring and sell dogs with out any control stipuilations, nuetering, spaying, show, pet quality, breeding contracts etc, and the dogs bitches and even breeding pairs end up in the wrong irresponsible hands. Thus the trouble starts. Same thing happened years ago with dobies, shepards, rotties etc.

 

Hope it works out for the best for you.

 

First off I'm seriously against outlawing of dogs, this is America if a person chooses to have a pet that is their right and responsibility. It takes common sense when choosing a pet, when I lived in the middle of no where I loved having pits around. But I also understand the negitive sterotype thats associated with pits, so when I moved into a neighborhood I left my pit behind. I didn't need angry vigilante retards making life harder for me, if someones mind is set on stripping the rights of others they'll stop at nothing to get what they want. If I were to sic my pit on them that would only add fuel to the fire.

I have ccp and carry a USP .45 at my side, if any dog latches on its getting a round through the head. If its between me and some jackasses dog, its not gonna be me that goes down.

I agree with leash laws, but mussles are pretty extreme. Owning a dog is a liability, part of that liability is keeping the idiot public away. I trained my dogs from pups to walk at my side, they wear a harness and a leash but I've never had to yank one of them back. The main problem is kids, most of them run over and want to pet the dog, although I'm sure my dogs wouldnt harm the children I still tell them no when they want to pet them. What ever happened to people teaching their kids to stay away from strangers?

My current labs and beagle arnt on anyones hit list but I still mantain a safe enviroment for my pets and the public. I keep my dogs on leash and under my control when their not in my fenced in backyard. Like I said before I'm sure my dogs wouldnt harm anyone, but for their own protection I abide to all of societys rules and standards.

 

yeah a pitbull makes a great house pet and gives everyone that warm feeling. your right there not useless,lol

they were a problem breed long before thugs and gangsters started showboating them

 

This is the "industry" standard for temperment testing based on breeds and has the largest data base for what can be called a breeds' chance for agressive behavior; hence a score of 100% equals a safe dog in distressing situations.

http://www.atts.org/

Notice the American pitbull vs. Golden retriever.

 

jimbo i have 2 dogs....rottweiler mix with german sheppard and a pug....The pug dont really care to train but the mix yeah (he seems to want to eat the pugs food after he is done with he's) i leash him when they both eat so he wont go to the pug's food......

I guess might be a dominance thing over the small one?

anyhow he is 12 weeks old (male) .....how did u train your dogs to walk by yourside? i want to train him while i can as he will be the main guard dog of the house outside and most obedient i want him to be.....

Let me know, if you can thanks or any of yall.......

i seriously dont see why people would have dogs that have criminal history on their breeds.....

 

After our first dog went the obediance training, i just emulated everything I learned on the rest. I have quite a few books, I'll dig them out and post the titles if your interested.

The main thing they need to learn is YOU are the dominate dog. I'd walk mine around my backyard on their leash, if they got out of control I'd whistle, eventually they learn that my wistle means to drop whatever they're doing and pay attention. I'd repeat the same task over and over untill they got it right. For example if they run out infront of me going around a corner I'll whistle, they'll stop, and we'll go back and walk around the corner again.

If they didnt respon to my whistle I'd give them a yank on the leash and whistle again, sometimes I'd have to repeat that 5 times before they'd get the point. Never loose your temper and strike or scream at the dog, thats just like throwing gas on a fire. They can be bone headed but they'll learn.

 

In an adult only household, sure, own any dog you want. When children live in the grownups home, they do not have any say about their safety or what they will be exposed to by their parents....


No parent with common sense or average intellect, should submit their child to a circumstance to where their little body and mind could end up with a lifetime of scars or a shortened life, from a dog with a known unpredictable personality of aggression.

 

awsome jimbo....yes pull out the tittles and shoot em to me. i'd be interested. or if you dont read them anymore perhaps i can borrow them, i'll pay for shipping and i'll ship them back to u whenever u want em back......not looking to keep any books.....just want to get the facts.......let me know thanks bud!