I don't know how to insert a picture, or I would. I had an '04 6.0L F-250 CC Lariat. I drove it for 80,000 miles with the only problem being a stuck EGR Valve. I now own an '08 6.4 with the same configuration. All black, pretty much every option except Nav and DVD. I love the ride, the dual climate control and the upgraded Audiophile stereo sounds better than the bose system in my wifes Escalade. I'm averaging 16.5 mpg empty where my '04 would average 17.5 and towing I'm at 8 to 8.5 where my '04 averaged 9 to 9.5. So far I have 5,000 problem free miles (which is nothing yet).

Why do so many people come on here just to bash this truck. You can clearly tell too because it's the people with 1 - 40 posts. From what I see, anyone with more than about 100 posts or so, are serious about learning and communicating about the truck and typically don't have complaints, except for those with aftermarket parts that aren't working out so well.

This truck rides better, pulls better, is much better appointed, and is much quieter than the previous models. I say, Ford has done a Fantastic Job on the '08. The chevy's look like crap with the tiny little tires and horrendous new body style and Dodge, well, I'm just going to leave that one alone. There is so much termoil with that company right now and the history of bad tranny's just turn me off completely, not to mention the cheap crappy interior.

 

The following Field Guide to Trolls has appeared in many forms over the
past couple of years. A webuser named 'Giveen' claims to be the originator but I cannot confirm that.


A troll is a bulletin board participant who posts for one or both of two reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.


THE MAJOR BREEDS


The Vulgar Troll. These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to
hide their species. Often, they make racist comments, or they may post
**** and other spam. Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to
primitive, profane, off-topic observations. When you log into the
Really Profound Serious Philosophical Discussions board and see the
post, "I smell my farts," you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other
species of troll sometimes revert to this form when cornered.


The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll. More sophisticated but often easily
identified and exposed, the Classic Troll gratifies his ego by
pretending to be someone or something he or she is not. Classics make
up elaborate stories about themselves, sometimes weaving some amounts
of truth into their lies. As a web of lies is difficult to build with
consistency, however, Classics are often "outed" by other forumites.
When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag of tricks to which they
turn:


– Classic Troll Tactic Number 1: If the heat gets too much for you,
claim it was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all
deceit by claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor
of it.



– Classic Troll Tactic Number 2: Create another account, and log on
pretending to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll
in Question (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be
disinterested third parties. At other times they pretend to be
"friends" of the TiQ.



– Classic Troll Tactic Number 3: When your lies paint you into a
corner, claim that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has
commandeered your account and made you look foolish. This technique can
also be applied in claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may
not, in fact, be disinterested third parties or friends, but that they
are your relatives ("little brother" is most common) only trying to
help support you.



– Classic Troll Tactic Number 4: When nothing else works, claim that
now, finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told
before. Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of
the forumites.



– Classic Troll Tactic Number 5: When all else fails, claim to be
leaving forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course;
you can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here,"
will most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably
will not be able to resist posting again.



– Classic Troll Tactic Number 6: Have a tantrum. When all their other
tricks are exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start
shouting. Often they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.



– Classic Troll Tactic Number 7: The insincere apology. Similar to
Tactic 4, this involves pretending to repent for one's trolling and is
accompanied often by great melodrama. Insincere troll apologists
hope that they'll be forgiven if only they act disgusted enough with
their own behavior.

 

Do you believe in fairy tales?

 

Doesnt everyone?

 

its always easier to say someting mean than it is to say something nice.

 

There seem to be a lot of folks with legitimate complaints and disappointment with their new trucks.

So how does this make them trolls? Not everyone is tickled pink to burn a quarter tank of fuel for a regen. Some folks don't share the same rosey level of enthusiasim is all.

 

"Why do they ask for your phone number when you buy batteries at Radio Shack. I Don't Know". (Kramer: Seinfeld).

There are trolls all over the net as in real life , I have worked with and met people just like decribed above in post #2 ,as I am sure many of you have also . Plus the internet is perfect fit for them. No acountablilty.

 

I have a friend that bought the same truck as me, except diesel. He expected 17 - 20mpg and gets about 15mpg, sometimes more, sometimes less. If he complains about his mileage, which is still better than mine, does that make him a troll? No, he had legitimate complaints about his expected mileage. When people complain, it's oftentimes because they had unrealistic expectations, but sometimes they had expectations that are reasonable, but the reality fell short. The 6.4L is new, and the 2008 is new. There is going to be expectations and there are going to be things that exceed expectations and things that fall short. Trolls suck, but hearing valid concerns or complaints is reasonable.

 

You have 3700+ posts, Scott....You don't qualify......(haha).

I take special issue with the CTTN #2.....When I suspect THEM, I do my damndest to publically scathe their deceiving BS......You can usually spot those people when they show 1 post, but they're managing to operate the site like a member with 1000 posts.....By and large (and I'm including myself), those with very few posts act like tyros; not veterans.....

BTW, good list, Kep

Steve

 

Nobody is suggesting that you cannot complain about your vehicle. it is the people that make up stories or worse bash something with no basis.

 

I agree here. I am new to FTE. I am not new to owning a Ford Superduty. My '08 6.4L 4X4 is my FIRST Diesel (previous Superduty was a V10). I came to FTE to gain knowledge and to initiate spirited discussions. I LOVE this new truck! I do NOT love the poor milage(I have yet to obtain better than 12mpg unloaded city). My V10 got better fuel economy(avg. 15-16mpg unloaded city). If expressing my opinion about this or any shortcomings of my truck makes me a troll, then I guess I am guilty as charged. I however would not give up this Great truck without a fight. Just my 2 cents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You won't get better than 12 mpg city . Heck my 6.0 doesn't get that. So to say that is poor mileage thats up for discussion. These are the heaviest SuperDuty trucks out there with the 6.4 or 6.0 and to get better mileage in the city isn't going to happen any time soon. If you want better than 12mpg city you will need to get a F150.

 

I'd love to see 12MPG city with my F150.

I think what 90% of the people are complaining about is the terrible fuel economy.

However, I also think that most people highly over estimate diesel fuel. It's not going to get you 20MPG in any situation with a Crew Cab Lariat 4x4 with all the toys most of the time.

The one group of people that does really bug me though are the F450 owners who complain about fuel mileage. It's a friggin F450!

Mike

 

MY 6.0L was a POS! I guess I'M a TROLL.

I personally know 4 people that live within 20 miles of me that have had 6.0L equipped Super Duty trucks purchased back by Ford. I will never recommend one to anyone. I guess we are all TROLLS

Mine was just purchased back on 8/28/07 because it was a LEMON.

 

the Classic Troll gratifies his ego by
pretending to be someone or something he or she is not.

Simply reading the definition shows you are not a Troll. Sorry to hear you got a bad one.