Towing two trailers??
"Mifflin Clay"
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From: Mifflin, PA
Originally Posted by mudmaker
all those numbers are just recommendations.
In a conversation with a MSP officer a while back it was stated (talking about registered vs actual weights): "......(if your vehicle is registered for 7000 lbs, and we weigh you for whatever reason, and you weigh 7001, you WILL get a ticket...". Do you think a severe accident would be cause to weigh?
Yes, I know some states allow a vehicle to be registered at any weight regardless of mfgr's ratings, but I don't think it would fly in court.
Me, I stay within the ratings just for the liability concerns and the peace of mind. If beating the subject to death saves just one mishap due to overloading it's well worth it. I'll bet a lot of people out there can't even guess at their GC weight, and couldn't say for certain if they are witin limits or not. JMHO, of course.
Last edited by alchymist; Oct 26, 2007 at 04:11 AM.
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From: Windsor, Colorado
Originally Posted by alchymist
Whooweeeeeee... wouldn't a lawyer have a field day with that ststament.
In a conversation with a MSP officer a while back it was stated (talking about registered vs actual weights): "......(if your vehicle is registered for 7000 lbs, and we weigh you for whatever reason, and you weigh 7001, you WILL get a ticket...". Do you think a severe accident would be cause to weigh?
Yes, I know some states allow a vehicle to be registered at any weight regardless of mfgr's ratings, but I don't think it would fly in court.
Me, I stay within the ratings just for the liability concerns and the peace of mind. If beating the subject to death saves just one mishap due to overloading it's well worth it. I'll bet a lot of people out there can't even guess at their GC weight, and couldn't say for certain if they are witin limits or not. JMHO, of course.
In a conversation with a MSP officer a while back it was stated (talking about registered vs actual weights): "......(if your vehicle is registered for 7000 lbs, and we weigh you for whatever reason, and you weigh 7001, you WILL get a ticket...". Do you think a severe accident would be cause to weigh?
Yes, I know some states allow a vehicle to be registered at any weight regardless of mfgr's ratings, but I don't think it would fly in court.
Me, I stay within the ratings just for the liability concerns and the peace of mind. If beating the subject to death saves just one mishap due to overloading it's well worth it. I'll bet a lot of people out there can't even guess at their GC weight, and couldn't say for certain if they are witin limits or not. JMHO, of course.
of course if you're over wieght you will get a ticket . but gcvw takes into account the rating of both vehicles. your insurance ccompany is going to cover your liability w/o issue as long as you are legal. 9900gvw p/u w/20kgvw trailer - as long as you are licensed for 29900 you're legal.
search the threads. this issue was discussed at length.
"Mifflin Clay"
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From: Mifflin, PA
Originally Posted by mudmaker
of course if you're over wieght you will get a ticket . but gcvw takes into account the rating of both vehicles. your insurance ccompany is going to cover your liability w/o issue as long as you are legal. 9900gvw p/u w/20kgvw trailer - as long as you are licensed for 29900 you're legal.
search the threads. this issue was discussed at length.
search the threads. this issue was discussed at length.
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From: NW burbs of chicago
Originally Posted by alchymist
can actually weigh 24,000 lbs going down the road legally, and I'm covered, despite the manufacturer's rating of 16,000 GCWR on the truck? .
I could get a 80k plate for my 250 and then hook up to a semi trailer and be "legal"
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From: Windsor, Colorado
Originally Posted by alchymist
Actually I was probably part of those discussions ....... So, If I have a F250 with a 10k lb registration, a trailer that's registered at 14K lbs, I can actually weigh 24,000 lbs going down the road legally, and I'm covered, despite the manufacturer's rating of 16,000 GCWR on the truck? That's the situation I was in a few weeks ago when we got our new 5th wheel. Somehow I don't think it will fly in case anything happens.
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"Mifflin Clay"
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From: Mifflin, PA
Originally Posted by mudmaker
all those numbers are just recommendations.
Originally Posted by mudmaker
you can't exceed the tire rating. you f250 could not take 10k. wieght per axle is key. if you have enough tires on the ground you can haul whatever you want.
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From: NW burbs of chicago
Originally Posted by alchymist
the liability aspect in court after an accident,
break the law by speeding and get into an accident
break the law by drinking and get into an accident
break the law by being wreckless and get into an accident
break the law by having burned out lights and get into an accident
too much weight is no different
"Mifflin Clay"
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From: Mifflin, PA
Originally Posted by jake00
people do every day when the get behind the wheel and
break the law by speeding and get into an accident
break the law by drinking and get into an accident
break the law by being wreckless and get into an accident
break the law by having burned out lights and get into an accident
too much weight is no different
break the law by speeding and get into an accident
break the law by drinking and get into an accident
break the law by being wreckless and get into an accident
break the law by having burned out lights and get into an accident
too much weight is no different
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From: Windsor, Colorado
Originally Posted by alchymist
So which is it????????/ I'm confused.....
GCVWR: gross COMBINED vehicle wieght rating. this rating is given by the manufacturer as a recomendation.
GVWR: gross vehicle wieght rating. this is what is listed on your vehicle id tag. this number represents what the vehicle is capable of carrying on its own axles.
A trailer has a gvwr and your tow vehicle has a gvwr. the two make up your GCVW. When you figure out your GCVW you now know your max gross wieght. The next issue is making sure your wieght is distributed correctly. That is why I mentioned tires. Your tires are rated with the wieghts on the sidewall. A DOT officer will not let you have more than that wieght on that tire. This is why they weigh each single axle and or sets of tandems.
Each vehicle is rated to handle its gvwr. therefore as long as you are within those limits, properly proportioned you are legal. (assuming you are paying taxes for the total wieght your are carrying)
"Mifflin Clay"
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From: Mifflin, PA
Originally Posted by mudmaker
Ill try to explain this.
GCVWR: gross COMBINED vehicle wieght rating. this rating is given by the manufacturer as a recomendation.
GVWR: gross vehicle wieght rating. this is what is listed on your vehicle id tag. this number represents what the vehicle is capable of carrying on its own axles.
A trailer has a gvwr and your tow vehicle has a gvwr. the two make up your GCVW. When you figure out your GCVW you now know your max gross wieght. The next issue is making sure your wieght is distributed correctly. That is why I mentioned tires. Your tires are rated with the wieghts on the sidewall. A DOT officer will not let you have more than that wieght on that tire. This is why they weigh each single axle and or sets of tandems.
Each vehicle is rated to handle its gvwr. therefore as long as you are within those limits, properly proportioned you are legal. (assuming you are paying taxes for the total wieght your are carrying)
GCVWR: gross COMBINED vehicle wieght rating. this rating is given by the manufacturer as a recomendation.
GVWR: gross vehicle wieght rating. this is what is listed on your vehicle id tag. this number represents what the vehicle is capable of carrying on its own axles.
A trailer has a gvwr and your tow vehicle has a gvwr. the two make up your GCVW. When you figure out your GCVW you now know your max gross wieght. The next issue is making sure your wieght is distributed correctly. That is why I mentioned tires. Your tires are rated with the wieghts on the sidewall. A DOT officer will not let you have more than that wieght on that tire. This is why they weigh each single axle and or sets of tandems.
Each vehicle is rated to handle its gvwr. therefore as long as you are within those limits, properly proportioned you are legal. (assuming you are paying taxes for the total wieght your are carrying)
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From: Windsor, Colorado
Originally Posted by alchymist
You finally came up with what I've been saying for the last half-dozen posts - some of these people have stated that they are towing xxx LBS, which is obviously over the CGWR for the vehicle they're using. And you keep saying if it's registered for the weight it's legal......NOT!
I guess I assume if someone says they are grossing 25k or so they have a trailer rated to match the wieght. It is very easy to gross over 30k legally with a pickup.
edit: when i said each vehicle i meant the trailer as a vehicle as well!!
Last edited by mudmaker; Oct 26, 2007 at 08:42 PM. Reason: added info
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Tuned
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From: South central kansas
Every state is different, but here in Kansas if each vehicle is tagged for the weight of the GVW (we'll assume if it is tagged for the weight, it has tire ratings to match) and the tow vehicle is tagged for the total weight of all trailers and tow rig, then it is legal as long as it is under 65' long. You can go over this length with permits. Legally, a ford ranger could pull 10 trailers and have a GVW of the whole thing be 100k and he would be legal (with proper permits and tags. The state of Kansas (and I assume most other south central states do not care about GCVW. (for the purpose of the state that # is useless, most troopers if any will not look at this.) This is a very extreme example, but for the most part if you are grossing 25k and you have a 30k tag on the truck and all trailers are tagged to their gvw and loaded at or less than their gvw, then you are legal.