Front axle blocks?
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From: Cocoa, FL
i admit it would give you the opp. for axle wrap....but if your building a truck big enough that you would want to put blocks up front.....makes most sense to put a traction bar on anyway...
ok....im not talking about a stock or remotely small truck....
ok....im not talking about a stock or remotely small truck....
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From: Cocoa, FL
but nothing dangerous would ever happen...
ive seen plenty of badass trucks setup this way.....when you want to clear 66's and not have 2' long hangers....its ok to have a 3-4" block
ive seen plenty of badass trucks setup this way.....when you want to clear 66's and not have 2' long hangers....its ok to have a 3-4" block
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From: Ilion Herkimer
i was out with the family one afteroon and saw a very tall bowtie in a nearby parking lot so i wondered over to investigete. this guy broke all the rules. blocks up front, staked body lift and stacked frames with bald ground hawgs. how this ting past an inspection is beyond my guess.
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if you think front blocks are ok, mabey you can use this site for some ideas on your build then http://128.83.80.200/taco/scarysteering.html
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chrono4 is right. Welding a block only solves the problem of loosing the block, it does not address the other problems associated with the leverage the axle has over the spring during suspension cycles and especially braking. During the braking process, the added load will distort the front springs and change "caster". Imagine slamming on the brakes and having the caster angle changing! The steering would get much faster during hard stops. Faster steering and hard stops are an accident waiting to happen.
Springs are cheap. Taking the time to fabricate something still costs money, and time. Weigh the options and consider the problems asociated with a short cut, and the right springs are not expensive at all. Consider the better drive of the right spring and the saftey issues associated with a block (any block) and springs with additional arch is a bargain.
Springs are cheap. Taking the time to fabricate something still costs money, and time. Weigh the options and consider the problems asociated with a short cut, and the right springs are not expensive at all. Consider the better drive of the right spring and the saftey issues associated with a block (any block) and springs with additional arch is a bargain.
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From: Cocoa, FL
Originally Posted by chrono4
if you think front blocks are ok, mabey you can use this site for some ideas on your build then http://128.83.80.200/taco/scarysteering1.html
ok.....listen, front blocks in there standard form are dangerous and lame as hell.....YES!!!!!!!.....im just saying it is possible to do them safely...
i know i wont do them in any truck that i build...nor have I, im just saying its would be .....ok
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Do you want a cookie? No, its not possible to do them safely. Mabey safe enough to drive all alone, but not safe enough to put on the highway and put other people at risk. No, it's not "ok"
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just another Rockwell looser
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From: Cocoa, FL
Originally Posted by 75F350
chrono4 is right. Welding a block only solves the problem of loosing the block, it does not address the other problems associated with the leverage the axle has over the spring during suspension cycles and especially braking. During the braking process, the added load will distort the front springs and change "caster". Imagine slamming on the brakes and having the caster angle changing! The steering would get much faster during hard stops. Faster steering and hard stops are an accident waiting to happen.
Springs are cheap. Taking the time to fabricate something still costs money, and time. Weigh the options and consider the problems asociated with a short cut, and the right springs are not expensive at all. Consider the better drive of the right spring and the saftey issues associated with a block (any block) and springs with additional arch is a bargain.
Springs are cheap. Taking the time to fabricate something still costs money, and time. Weigh the options and consider the problems asociated with a short cut, and the right springs are not expensive at all. Consider the better drive of the right spring and the saftey issues associated with a block (any block) and springs with additional arch is a bargain.
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From: Cocoa, FL
Originally Posted by chrono4
Do you want a cookie? No, its not possible to do them safely. Mabey safe enough to drive all alone, but not safe enough to put on the highway and put other people at risk. No, it's not "ok"
if a truck that ran a traction bar would it be still unsafe?
explain to me exactly why....if you ran the bar it would keep the axle from wrapping....therefore keeping the steering correct....and weve already agreed that it wouldn't come out...soooo why? just wondering....but i agree with you'll in the fact that i would never run one in my truck....
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From: Cocoa, FL
Originally Posted by chrono4
wow quadzjr, do you have a supermotors page or something? Im interested to check out your build.
but anyways...im running coils and 4linking the front of my f150
and my bronco is just a 6" lift....
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From: Cocoa, FL
no....i dont have a digital camera....id have to borrow my girlfriends every time and i dont feel like it.....i'll post pics on here when i get close to finished....trust me on this....i build chit right....if you like badass trucks...you'll like it, its not no rockcrawler but its somthing diff....but i still have to buy tires and wheels and machine my wheel brakes for my rocks...
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From: Cocoa, FL
Originally Posted by quadzjr
yes...i would, i thought that was a awsome find....but thats besides the point,
if a truck that ran a traction bar would it be still unsafe?
explain to me exactly why....if you ran the bar it would keep the axle from wrapping....therefore keeping the steering correct....and weve already agreed that it wouldn't come out...soooo why? just wondering....but i agree with you'll in the fact that i would never run one in my truck....
if a truck that ran a traction bar would it be still unsafe?
explain to me exactly why....if you ran the bar it would keep the axle from wrapping....therefore keeping the steering correct....and weve already agreed that it wouldn't come out...soooo why? just wondering....but i agree with you'll in the fact that i would never run one in my truck....