The more and more bio diesel the U.S. uses wether it be soy or corn will make the prices of tortillas go up. VIVA LOS TACOS!

 

Thats the biggest pile of BS yet .....What the heck are thinniny agents???

Do you know anything about bio diesel or you just making up words....

Do us a favor and research it alittle before responding with things like that.

 

Like I stated earlier I do not know enough about bio diesel to make any informed statements about how it would or would not hurt the motor.

With that in mind, bio diesel guys please explain, in your opinion of course, why Ford or GM or Volkswagen would clearly state not to use higher than B5, B10 or B15. If it is better for the motor or at least will not harm the motor why do they take this position?

 

IMO it's because they can't control the quilty of the bio so the safe limit is for them is B5-15. With that being said it is very hard to get a bad batch of bio that is commerically made. They have this back when bio first started and guys were making home brew Waste Vegey Oil and the quilty wasn't there . Today is a differnt story as commercial bio being made just like E85. The diesel engine was first design to run on peanut oil as people were able to grow a fuel that could power their truck. As soon as the bio diesel is able to make a ASTM standard D6751 more manufactures will increase the percent they will allow us to run for warranty sakes.

Now more than ever with the ULSD being required for 08 and newer trucks Bio will turn out to be a better and cleaner fuel with less emmisions.

Compared to petroleum-based diesel, biodiesel significantly reduces air
emissions, complies with strict low sulfur mandates, and can be used in
diesel blends with no modifications or infrastructure changes. Furthermore,
biodiesel supports the U.S. farm economy, improves regional and national
energy security, expands tight fuel inventories, and reduces America's
foreign oil dependence.

 

And I also said that I would not complain if I blew my truck up from tuning it, and the dealer was waiting from ford to find out to warranty or not. If they denied I would just suck it up and have it fixed and go on, not cry like a lil' Bit$% like you are gonna.

 

I hope FORD denies your warr and brands your truck, but wait your a liberal nut, you'll just hire some libtard atty and sue. Liberals, always making new laws, but never want to follow them if they don't fit the moment.

Anyway, hope you have deep pockets, or find some social program to pay your bill for your stupidity!

 

You are misinformed. The only thing the 08 "emissions" tagged changes have done is reduce particulates and decreased mileage. Since Diesel emits far less emission issues than a gas vehicle, the government really should have done more work on gasoline vehicles. As I have stated before, emission control on a diesel is a joke. Here is a nice read if your interested.

What problems do these emissions cause, and how does diesel stack up:





Carbon Dioxide



Carbon dioxide is the main cause for concern at the moment, and is the subject of international agreements to try to reduce its output. Carbon dioxide is causing global warming; this is a known fact. Carbon dioxide is produced by any burning of fossil fuels, and is caused by production of electricity by most current power stations; this means that electric cars cause carbon dioxide emissions too. Carbon dioxide does not cause any health issues.



Carbon dioxide emissions are directly proportional to fuel consumption, and as diesel cars use 30 to 40% less fuel, they emit 30 to 40% less carbon dioxide than petrol cars. Natural gas and LPG cars are actually quite fuel inefficient, if otherwise cleaner burning, and so produce more CO2 than a diesel.



Although CO2 emissions are not directly harmful to us, they are changing our climate. The legacy these emissions will leave will be felt by every generation after us.





Carbon Monoxide



Carbon monoxide is a poison. It has no smell, but can kill you without you realizing what is happening. Carbon monoxide is the reason why you should not run you car engine (petrol) in a confined space. Diesel engines produce virtually no carbon monoxide, a petrol engine produces enough to kill you. The main remedy to carbon monoxide emissions of petrol engines has been the introduction of catalytic converters, however there are problems with cats:



They don't work until they are hot, maybe 10 or 15 minutes of driving. As most car journeys only last 10 or 15 minutes, the cat is not terribly effective.



They increase fuel consumption.



They are easily poisoned and stop working.



They are easily mechanically damaged.





Nitrogen Oxides



Nitrogen is the main constituent of the air that we breathe. When it is exposed to high pressures and temperatures it combines with oxygen in the air to form nitrous oxides. The nitrous oxides then combine with low level ozone to form smog. Because of the way a diesel engine works, with an excess of air inside the engine (rather than "just enough" as in a petrol engine, which is what causes CO emissions), nitrous oxides are more likely to be formed. However tests of actual cars reveal that whilst emissions of NOx are higher in a new diesel than a new petrol car, that by 50,000 miles or so they are the same, and after that the petrol engine produces more than the diesel. Therefore over the life cycle of the car, petrol and diesel engine emissions of nitrous oxides are similar. Emissions of nitrous oxides can be effectively reduced in both petrol and diesel cars by use of exhaust gas recirculation (EGR). EGR reduces the combustion temperature to below the point where nitrogen effectively burns.





Hydrocarbons



Hydrocarbons include chemicals such as benzene. Benzene is an extremely carcinogen chemical, and has been declared unsafe by the World Health Organization in any concentration. Hydrocarbon emissions are contained in petrol engine emissions much more than in diesel engine emissions. Benzene is also present in the fumes which can be smelt when filling up with petrol at a service station, this is not a problem with diesel.





Particulates



Particulates or smoke are really the only problem for diesels (compared with petrol engines). Most of the controversies and newspaper scare stories center around particulates. Various groups have been trying for years to prove a link between diesel smoke and cancer, and so far have failed to actually prove anything. Friends of the Earth may come up with statements such as "Small particles are believed to lead to 8,100 premature urban deaths every year (1.9% of all deaths in urban areas)" and then apply them to diesel emissions, but this is flawed because:



The studies were carried out in American cities where the penetration of diesel in the market is lower. Any increase in deaths due to particulates, if it exists, may be caused be particulates from some other source; the particulates in question have not been indisputably linked with diesel emissions.



Even in Europe, particulates from diesel cars are a very small percentage of the particulate emissions which we breathe; most are from industry.



Diesel engines emit more PM10 particles, that is particles which have a diameter up to 10 microns, but petrol cars actually emit more PM1 particles than diesel ones. These particles are smaller than 1 micron and are invisible. They are also more likely to penetrate deeply into human lungs (as they are smaller) and look less like a natural dust particle, which human lungs have evolved to cope with.



Even if particulates are a factor in the deaths of 8,100 people every year in the UK, then these are the most seriously unwell people in the country. The fact is that we are talking about 8,100 people who are about to die, with or without particulates around.



The original research which led to the link between deaths and particulates is being questioned. See Merlise Clyde's paper, Model Uncertainty and Health Effect Studies for Particulate Matter, which can be downloaded from THE NATIONAL RESEARCH CENTER FOR STATISTICS AND THE ENVIRONMENT in Washington

 

Carbon dioxide is causing global warming; this is a known fact.

BS

 

I actually agree with you a little bit on that one. My point was the particulates. This was a quote more than anything.

 

You can't run more 5% blend of bio diesel in new 08 F-series with 6.4L PSD, because it will damaged the PTF on Ford. My truck came with DVD it about the PSD engines and it said not run bio diesel with more than 5% blend. Older trucks willn't harm then as much. But be carefull!!!!!!!!

 

I hope your not to upset because Ford did warranty it and it only cost me $100.00. The bio had nothing to do with it so you can rest a little better knowing that.

BTW I'm still waiting to hear what thinniny agents are ?? Thats a good one.

If your trying to insult someone its better if you know what your talking about or it just makes you look worst than the person your trying to insult.

If you really want to know more about bio diesel drop down to that thread and you might learn a few things about bio fuels.

 

"Carbon dioxide is causing global warming; this is a known fact."

You sure about that? If you actually study temperature data world wide over the last hundred years or so there are as many areas where mean temperature has decreased as there are that have increased. I'm not saying global warming isn't happening and pollution isn't a big problem. I have just researched and studied lots of data. We don't really know enough to say definitively the slight temperature increases we have recorded are caused by anything we have done. We may be helping it along, but this might also be part of the natural temperature fluctuations of the planet. We just don't know enough to say "Carbon dioxide is causing global warming; this is a known fact."

Not trying to start anything just giving my $.02. I know pollution and greenhouse gas emissions need to be addressed. I just believe we are to quick to blame them for lots of problems that we can not prove they cause.

 

I say this thread is done.