Wierd Engine Cutout Issue
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From: League City
I have also posted on the same issue a few weeks back. Mine happened also with the wipers on, but also intermittent. I have the F5 chip, and got while towing in 80T, and also once in 80E.
I have not had it happen again for about 2 weeks.
I have not had it happen again for about 2 weeks.
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From: Larkspur, CO
Doesn't seem that anyone has resolved this, including me. I still have the same issue. I thought it was a totally wierd one-off thing but it appears not, and I for one am baffled by the whole thing.
Anyone, anyone??
Anyone, anyone??
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From: Littleton, Colorado
This might be related to your issue, but it might not.
There was a recall on a switch in the wiper motor gearcase on these trucks.
Apparently they would overheat and burnout and the wipers would no longer work.
It may be nothing, but it might be worth investigating since there seems to be an issue when you're running the wipers wet or dry.
Just thought I'd throw that out there,
Austin
There was a recall on a switch in the wiper motor gearcase on these trucks.
Apparently they would overheat and burnout and the wipers would no longer work.
It may be nothing, but it might be worth investigating since there seems to be an issue when you're running the wipers wet or dry.
Just thought I'd throw that out there,
Austin
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From: League City
Ok, I finally pulled the codes with AE, and found the following 2 related to the wiper issue.
B1438 - Wipermode Switch Circuit Failure
B1450 - Wiper/Washer Delay Switch Circuit Failure
From what I could find out so far it points to the Multifunction switch on the steering column, from where you switch on your wipers.
One other observation, is that since I had the truck when the wipers were turned off, they would continue on, and I have to turn it to fast then off to make it stop. Also when I push to start the wiper washer, it would not always start on the first push.
Apart from this, wipers were working fine. So my conclusion is that it could well be the multifunction switch.
Will appreciate any feedback from anybody who have had these codes/symptoms before.
B1438 - Wipermode Switch Circuit Failure
B1450 - Wiper/Washer Delay Switch Circuit Failure
From what I could find out so far it points to the Multifunction switch on the steering column, from where you switch on your wipers.
One other observation, is that since I had the truck when the wipers were turned off, they would continue on, and I have to turn it to fast then off to make it stop. Also when I push to start the wiper washer, it would not always start on the first push.
Apart from this, wipers were working fine. So my conclusion is that it could well be the multifunction switch.
Will appreciate any feedback from anybody who have had these codes/symptoms before.
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From: Tulsa
pwrstroketx,
Interesting about the code. My 02 has now started this rain only problem as well. But can't seem to pull any codes, even when the check engine light is on. What reader did you use and how.
I'm on my 2nd Borg Warner CPS. Going to break down and get a CPS from the dealer this week and try that.
I suspect moister is causing my problem. Under dry conditions and wipers on everything runs great. As soon as it's moist (foggy, snow, you name it) burb! I read somewhere in these forums about water running down the windshield and into the dash but can't find that info.
Any more info would be great.
Interesting about the code. My 02 has now started this rain only problem as well. But can't seem to pull any codes, even when the check engine light is on. What reader did you use and how.
I'm on my 2nd Borg Warner CPS. Going to break down and get a CPS from the dealer this week and try that.
I suspect moister is causing my problem. Under dry conditions and wipers on everything runs great. As soon as it's moist (foggy, snow, you name it) burb! I read somewhere in these forums about water running down the windshield and into the dash but can't find that info.
Any more info would be great.
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From: League City
I used AutoENGINUITY on my laptop,to pull the codes. If you use a normal OBD II scanner, you will not get all the codes.
The times when my engine cut out was also only in rainy wet conditions, but has not done it again for about 4 months.
The times when my engine cut out was also only in rainy wet conditions, but has not done it again for about 4 months.
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Welcome to FTE RodHoffmann, The AE scanner listed above is a favorite here. The free scans from your local auto parts store will not pick up codes on these trucks.
The windshield leak you referred to was an issue with the 99 model trucks.
The windshield leak you referred to was an issue with the 99 model trucks.
Of the next Riffraff East
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From: Concord NC
Although I am not having any issues yet, I would like to see this one through as it has finally started to rain hear. Is there any chance the problems could be coming from a short in the steering column or wires in there? It appears to be related to rain which means wipers which means switch on steering column. Don't know, just looking for something else to check.
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From: house springs,mo
the cutout ONLY happens when the wipers operate.(qoute)
could be your wiper motor pulling to much voltage! also i herd that your wiper wires and cps wires use the same harness?dont know how true that is!
could be your wiper motor pulling to much voltage! also i herd that your wiper wires and cps wires use the same harness?dont know how true that is!
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From: Tulsa
F350-g,
Semper fi. Thanks for the info on the scanner and the welcome. Went to town today. Cold but no rain or snow. Wipers and lights on. Not one problem.
After I made the last post I found the CPS recall. Punched in my VIN into the Ford recall site, and there she was. I've already replaced it with a BWD CSS1603, which is black with gold metal. I wonder if they'll still cover the recall. I think I should my posts to the CPS recall thread.
Semper fi. Thanks for the info on the scanner and the welcome. Went to town today. Cold but no rain or snow. Wipers and lights on. Not one problem.
After I made the last post I found the CPS recall. Punched in my VIN into the Ford recall site, and there she was. I've already replaced it with a BWD CSS1603, which is black with gold metal. I wonder if they'll still cover the recall. I think I should my posts to the CPS recall thread.
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From: Linden, VA
Originally Posted by badger2196
The problems DOES occur when the wipers are running in the dry, so it would seem to point to a short somehwere huh?
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I just noticed this thread, and I have another 02 model to add to the list. Mine started doing it about four months ago, when it's dry out there are no problems, but when it's wet it's nothing but problems. I haven't checked to see if it would happen when it's not raining out and with the wipers on.
The symptoms are this, driving in the rain the engine will occasionally hiccup and continue on, then do it again every so often, when stopped and at idle it will often die, but will start back up on the first try. If I drive it in the rain for more than about 10 minutes the service engine light will come on and the truck will continue to run, but will be pretty down on power and run rough. ( no codes other than CPS and TPS error when this happens ) so it looks like something is disrupting the CPS operation when driving in the rain.
I guess when I get home I should check the wiring, and winshield wiper switch. I'll post info if I find anything out.
I did put an aftermarket grill on it not too long before I started having problems ( same one as Ebay item number 310009626897 ), maybe I should check it to the stock one and see if there's something about it's design and openings that allow a bunch of water in where the stock one didn't. ( may be a stretch, but I might as well take a look )
The symptoms are this, driving in the rain the engine will occasionally hiccup and continue on, then do it again every so often, when stopped and at idle it will often die, but will start back up on the first try. If I drive it in the rain for more than about 10 minutes the service engine light will come on and the truck will continue to run, but will be pretty down on power and run rough. ( no codes other than CPS and TPS error when this happens ) so it looks like something is disrupting the CPS operation when driving in the rain.
I guess when I get home I should check the wiring, and winshield wiper switch. I'll post info if I find anything out.
I did put an aftermarket grill on it not too long before I started having problems ( same one as Ebay item number 310009626897 ), maybe I should check it to the stock one and see if there's something about it's design and openings that allow a bunch of water in where the stock one didn't. ( may be a stretch, but I might as well take a look )
Last edited by srm807; Dec 25, 2007 at 04:19 PM.
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From: Tulsa
srm807,
I installed a brush guard just prior to my first problem. But, I'd bet it has nothing to do with the problem. Other than the CPS safety recall this month (which I'm going to take care of quickly), I'm guessing that moister is getting into the female end and onto the connectors or making it pass the o-ring to the senor itself. Keep us posted on your results. I'll be interested since your symptoms are exactly the same as mine. I will tell you that as soon as I swapped the CPS recently the problems stopped even in the rain, but soon returned. Of course during our recent ice storm and week long power outage here in Oklahoma.
I installed a brush guard just prior to my first problem. But, I'd bet it has nothing to do with the problem. Other than the CPS safety recall this month (which I'm going to take care of quickly), I'm guessing that moister is getting into the female end and onto the connectors or making it pass the o-ring to the senor itself. Keep us posted on your results. I'll be interested since your symptoms are exactly the same as mine. I will tell you that as soon as I swapped the CPS recently the problems stopped even in the rain, but soon returned. Of course during our recent ice storm and week long power outage here in Oklahoma.