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well i would buy all the bio and wvo convershion kits if i could get a tax brake. but you know how it it every one will/would go with what ever saves the most money. y would i want to save a few trees and sone ice when i could save 30cts a gallon
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Originally Posted by Izzy351
HK, you're right on. Unfortunately, supply & demand can suck sometimes. But, if we can tell OPEC & Chavez to stick it where the sun don't shine, and pay our farmers instead, I'm all for it. I'm not all for the same oil companies (like the ones in Tenn's sig) for taking over the bio-fuel business and making us pay the same or higher rates we're already paying. Granted it costs more now to produce E85 than gasoline, but look -- it's cheaper by 30c. BD should be the same. I would also bet a doughnut that eventually, the costs will come down as the refining techniques improve. This is the one thing I'm on board with the tree-huggers on, but not for the same reason... 
BTW, the number one supplier of oil to the United States is....Canada. Not the middle east, Mexico, or Venezuala..... Canada.
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Originally Posted by HKusp
I hear what you are saying Izzy, but the ONLY reason it is/was cheaper to but E85 is because it is subsidized the the federal government. It is called market manipulation. If E85 was left un-insulated from the market, it would not be a viable option. It is far inferior to gasoline in the way it burns and how many BTU it produces, it can't be put in a pipeline because it has so much water content so the only way to transport it is by tanker, it actually is worse for the environment than gasoline or diesel. If the farmers make more money on it, that is a benefit, but if it is at the expense of those who don't farm, I think they outnumber the ones who do.
BTW, the number one supplier of oil to the United States is....Canada. Not the middle east, Mexico, or Venezuala..... Canada.
BTW, the number one supplier of oil to the United States is....Canada. Not the middle east, Mexico, or Venezuala..... Canada.
But, E85 is a 105 octane fuel. That's why the E85 vehicles need to know how much ethanol is in the mix so they can adjust timing/inj volume correctly. Now, since it *is* such a high octane fuel, if there was a way to make a variable-compression engine, you could take advantage of the extra octane and be running much more efficiently on the corn whiskey. The comparison is running your gas-only engine on like 5:1 compression. Yeah, it would run, but it would run nowhere near as well as at 8 or 9:1. The other option is to build an E85 only 15:1 compression engine, but that would be a little tough to live with for the time being...
We'll see what happens. One thing is for sure though -- the bio vs. dino fuel situation will be interesting to watch.
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