Notices
General NON-Automotive Conversation No Political, Sexual or Religious topics please.

HVAC Question...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 1, 2007 | 09:20 AM
  #1  
Bruker's Avatar
Bruker
Thread Starter
|
Fleet Mechanic
20 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,385
Likes: 1
From: Mercer County, OH
Question HVAC Question...

For the second time in less than three years I've had the condensate drain trap plug up and cause problems with my AC. What's the purpose of the trap in a condesate drain and what would happen if I didn't use one?
 
Reply
Old Jul 1, 2007 | 09:30 AM
  #2  
35l911's Avatar
35l911
Senior User
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 349
Likes: 0
From: oxon hill, MD U.S.A
First, a condensate drain is not required to be trapped by any of the Codes. Most manufacturers of air conditioning components require a trap on the primary condensate line to keep conditioned air in the air handler and to prevent insects from entering the air handler through the condensate line. A vent (some manufacturers call it a clean out) is usually required on the outlet side of the trap (install on the air handler side would negate the purpose of the trap) by the manufacturer. Most new models have a sticker on the air handler at the drain tapping showing proper drain configuration.

Most of the time condensate is gravity drained (meaning sloped to drain its entire length) to the exterior grade by a PVC or other pipe. The termination is usually visible, but not required to be visible. The secondary, or emergency drain, should be visible to alert the occupants of a problem. Since most layperson occupants have no idea water flowing from this secondary drain indicates a problem, many technicians are now installing a float switch in the drain pan and/or secondary line to shut down the system in the event of a primary condensate drain malfunction. A non-working system usually promotes a phone call to the service company instead of the usual ignoring the water flowing from the secondary.

Many jurisdictions have provisions for alternate methods of condensate disposal besides just draining to exterior grade or a floor drain. Any connection to the sanitary sewer system will require a trap. This is called an indirect waste by the Codes. Many times I see condensate drains terminating at trapped receptors (a standpipe, like used for the clothes washer) connected to the sanitary sewer system. Traps installed only for the condensate drain will require trap primers to keep them wet. Because of this problem the most common termination locations are routinely wetted traps such as lavatory sinks and bathtubs. The fixture keeps the trap wet to prevent sewer gas flow back into the air handler. The condensate is connected with a branch tailpiece on the fixture side of the trap, such as to the outlet of the lavatory sink or the overflow of the bathtub. Connection to the sewer side of the trap is improper and will result in sewer gas flow to the air handler since the condensate line trap (if installed) will dry out in winter. Another common location for condensate disposal is the clothes washer standpipe.

Condensate pumps are commonly used where gravity drain is not possible. These pumps accept the condensate and pump the liquid to an approved location once the tank is filled to a predetermined level. The outlet pipe from the pump is not required to be trapped. The inlet from the air handler should be installed per the manufacturer recommendations, which could be trapped or not.

Hope this clears up some questions about condensate.

found this info useful with our system at mcdonalds
this is web site i got it form http://www.home-inspect.com/itatips/07-03.asp
 

Last edited by 35l911; Jul 1, 2007 at 09:39 AM.
Reply
Old Jul 1, 2007 | 10:09 AM
  #3  
Bruker's Avatar
Bruker
Thread Starter
|
Fleet Mechanic
20 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,385
Likes: 1
From: Mercer County, OH
Thanks 35l911, that's just what I was looking for!
 
Reply
Old Jul 1, 2007 | 10:20 AM
  #4  
rellik74's Avatar
rellik74
Senior User
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 482
Likes: 0
From: Colorado
You can get condensate trap and when it gets some water in it a heater comes on and evapoates the water. This is used on comercial refrigerators that roll around the kitchen.
Or you can just clean it out good everytime you change air filters.
Or pours an cople oz of bleach in the pan this will help keep the slime from cloging the drain.

PS I live where the Rel Humidty is high at 35 to 40%
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
dcf4x4
General NON-Automotive Conversation
9
Jun 18, 2010 03:06 PM
ford2go
General NON-Automotive Conversation
6
Jan 17, 2009 11:39 PM
seadoo
General NON-Automotive Conversation
10
Apr 24, 2006 05:16 AM
goodwrench
General NON-Automotive Conversation
3
Aug 15, 2005 11:32 PM
Monsta
General NON-Automotive Conversation
2
May 26, 2005 05:56 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:17 AM.

story-0
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-1
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-2
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-3
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-6
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE
story-7
Ford Super Duty: 5 Things Owners LOVE, 5 Things They LOATHE!

Slideshow: Ranking the 5 things owners love about their Super Duty and 5 things they don't

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:36:49


VIEW MORE
story-8
Every 2026 Ford Truck Engine RANKED from WORST to FIRST!

Slideshow: Ranking all 12 Ford truck engines available in 2026.

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 13:32:20


VIEW MORE
story-9
The Best F-150 Deal of Every Trim Level (XL through Raptor)

Slideshow: The best Ford F-150 deal for every trim level (XL through Raptor)

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-21 15:59:01


VIEW MORE