well finally got my superchip in my new 2001- f350-supercrew-duelly- 7.3l PSD. Well, all I can say holy XXXX. it so cool. but my question is someone told me now with the chip in to use a synthetic oil. I have no idea could some please shed some light on this for me
thank you Joe

 

This is a first for me Joe. I have never heard such a request. I have no idea why you would need to use synthetic oil. That would be a horrific waste of money, considering your 14-16 quart oil capacity.
Danny

 

As for the necessity of synth oil I would say NO.
Its hard to swallow but you can go 25k + miles without changing your oil, just changing the filter ever 3000 is what you need to do. a quart every time. As for the brand of Oil I would recommend Amsoil. I don't sponsor or sell said oil, I just use and stand behind it. Amsoil is 100% man made oil, purely synthetic, unlike the big brands (Mobil, Castrol, etc...) these synth oils claim to be 100% but are not. They do contain fluorocarbons (fossil fuels) so they do experience thermo breakdown at a quicker rate than Amsoil. I have used Amsoil in my truck since new (12 Miles) I changed the engine, both diffs, Trans case and tranny to synth fluid, its hard to say if my gas mileage was affected because I have nothing to compare but I can say from having used Castrol GTX in all my other trucks that when you start it the tach doesn't go high and drop down, it goes to 750 and stays solid so that tells me that the oil is delivered quicker to all engine parts upon startup. Or at least that is what I think.
Lets get to the bottom of this and keep this thread going.
Its possible I could be wrong/mistaken
Billy

 

From the Mobil 1 web site:

Q: "Is Mobil 1 a fully synthetic oil?"

A: Yes, it's 100 percent synthetic. The base stocks used in blending Mobil 1 are all "chemically constructed" instead of being simply segregated out of crude oil like conventional mineral oils.

Ken Payne
Ford Truck Enthusiasts Admin

 

ken,
just a question, would of like to send this via email instead but anyway, how come you dont like amsoil lubs? ive read other threads in the message boards and its like a fight almost?
dont get it
Billy

 

I've got no problem with the products per se. I believe them to be fine. The dealers, however, and the misinformation they spread, underhanded practices, spamming, back-stabbing, peddling, childish behavior, nit-picking, disregard for guidelines and the outlandish claims are just too much. FTE has been hit over and over again with the same games from dealers for over 4 years. It's gotten so old that my tolerance level for dealers is low. Did a dealer tell you Mobil 1 isn't 100% synthetic? Mobil claims otherwise. Based on experience, I'd trust what Mobil says before I'd trust anything from Spamsoil.

Ken Payne
Ford Truck Enthusiasts Admin

 

No,
Ive been using synthetic oil since 97, when i picked up my new F-250 HD, had 12 miles on it. but before the big switch i did alot of research(internet reading). I found articles not by oil dealers but by independent labs, etc... explain exactly what this snake oil is made of (all brands). Anyway it explained that yes all synthetic oil is synthetic but by name only. Amsoil and i think redline are the only ones that are 100% man made, while some of the bigger ones are using hydrocarbons or something like that, which is allowed by law in small amounts,
To end this, the reason i am so interested in this oil or any oil now is because i pickup my new truck feb 18th, an f250v10 auto 4x4 supercab longbed, ordered it on Nov 24th. Anyway should i do the same. switch all the lubs to synthetic right away, i say yes, but my questions are, is amsoil the best one out there? From what ive read yes, ???. What do u use in mechanicals what do use in engine.
also what grade oil should i use, currently i use 10-30 year round in my f250 351 v8. lower new york/New jersey so it does get kinda cold,
Thanks
Billy

 

I run Mobil 1, sometimes Havoline synthetic, use the recommended weight in all my vehicles.

Ken Payne
Ford Truck Enthusiasts Admin

 

I have a really dumb question for JoeCool. If you suggest running your oil in the engine for 25,000 miles, where does the dirt and other impurities go??? Does your engine produce any less impurities than all other engines on crude based lubricants?If your answer is that crude based lubes "break down" much sooner than synthetics, the folks losing engines to "broken down" oils are very quiet, you just don't hear from them. The recommended interval for oil changes is not due to oils "breaking down", it is to remove impurities freeflowing in the oil in your engine. So you change a filter every 3000 miles????? How about the impurities in the oil in the engine???? If you get your engine hot enough to burn a crude based lube, you have other serious problems. Don't get me wrong, I am a firm believer in Synthetics when used for their intended purposes. When racing from 1991-1999, we dyno tested almost all synthetics on the market. Conclusion: The gains are not worth the extra money for the average driver. And yes , we used Synthetics exclusively in our race engines. We were running engines at double the recommended RPM, 7000-10,000 RPM, on 1/2 pound of water pressure as opposed to 15-20 pounds of water pressure for a stock engine. Not much cooling!!! As for what viscosity to use, you would be well advised to read your owners manual and follow it. Ford is getting sticky about using the proper viscosity in their engines. I'm afraid that Ken is right about you Amsoil folks. I raced for Alisyn Synthetics for 8 years, set 3 world records, 1995 US1, several National Championships, and am not anywhere near as fanatical about Synthetics as you guys.
Later
Danny
PS>>>I have worked for Citgo Petroleum for 24 years making lubricants and fuels, was sponsored by Citgo for 2 years of racing. I have closely studied both sides to this argument in every way possible, dyno, chemically, and real world use!!!

 

[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 10-Feb-01 AT 01:36 PM (EST)[/font][p]Joecool,

Where can we see the independent labs report? I'd be interested in that.

Ken Payne
Ford Truck Enthusiasts Admin

 

Just my 2 cents. I have been using Mobil-1 exclusively since 1976 and have never had an oil related problem. Also Porsche and Corvette recommend Mobil-1 not anything else.

 

I appreciate the replies, for some it seemed to turn into a fight, which I don't understand,
anyway after looking at the facts, the price and especially the attitude of the guy at the speed shop(who is also an amsoil dealer, go figure)where I use to get my amsoil.
I asked him what he thought of Mobil1, he immediately laughed and said "its not amsoil" and "he would never use it, after all Mobil1 is mostly regenerated crude". I thanked him very much asked him if he could get his hands on 5-20 and walked out the door. still not having picked up my new F-250 SD v10 I figured I had plenty of time, well at least until Saturday, ha ha. so later that night I went to Mobil's site found out where they sell it, and guess what, it was right at the Walmart all this time, da. finally Saturday gets here, I pickup my truck and talk to the service manager in the shop and ask him about the 5/20 myth. He told me that ford will not order an oil test in the case of an engine problem, and that they consistently use 5/30 in all the oil changes they do, so there ya go, I went to Walmart that night, with only 17 miles on my truck, picked up a 6 Pac of tri-synth 5/30, a Mobil1 filter and now my truck runs Mobil1, saved me 12 bucks too!
So now Iam using Mobil1, changing my filter every 3000 and changing the filter and oil ever 6000 miles.
so now the moral of this story,
I have no idea
but thanks
billy

 

Curious to know why you wouldnt use a Mineral Based to run in the engine.

 

">Curious to know why you wouldnt use a Mineral Based to
>run in the engine. "

what are u talking about?

 

Just wanted to say that if you use a Synthetic oil in a new engine, (under 40,000 klm) then your doing more harm to your engine then good, this is comeing from 3 different Ford Dealerships operated by different people, they dont care what oil you use just they warned me when i bought my new 2000 F150 that its not good to run synthetic because the engine hasnt had the time to break in, as for the oil i use is Quaker State (im not a dealer just a normal joe blow who uses it all the time) i have used this oil before and have had good results but its all up to the persons preference,as for an oil filter i use a Fram double gaurd (not a promoter just my preferance it all depends on the persons taste) as if its a double gaurd then its gotta work better then the cheaper versions, sure it costs more but its cheaper then replacing an engine down the road, and as for you dont hafta change your oil till every 25,000 miles ??? what are you nuts ??? lol i can see an engine replacement in your future soon !! haha mines changed every 5000 klm's Filter and Oil, plus if you own a new truck with warrenty they want the oil changed every 5000 klm's or it voids the waranty..


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