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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 10:37 PM
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6 volt coil

on a stock 6 volt ing.
is there a voltage reducing resistor on the system
I have to replace my coil spark jumping cracked top
on some 12v you need a resistor?
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Old Jun 15, 2007 | 06:25 AM
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on a stock 6 volt ing.
is there a voltage reducing resistor on the system
I have to replace my coil spark jumping cracked top
on some 12v you need a resistor?
Joe
Not sure I fully understand your question. A 6V electrical system requires no resistor. A 12V electrical system should have an external ballast resistor to limit voltage across the points to 6V.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2007 | 09:01 AM
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Some 12v coils have the ballast built into them, others don't. You need one somewhere.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2007 | 10:05 AM
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So why is it that there needs to be a difference between 6V and 12V coils? If a coil does the same thing to voltage, why does the input matter? Shouldn't there just be one coil and 6 volts input does what it does and 12 volts does what it needs to?

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Old Jun 15, 2007 | 02:04 PM
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So why is it that there needs to be a difference between 6V and 12V coils? If a coil does the same thing to voltage, why does the input matter? Shouldn't there just be one coil and 6 volts input does what it does and 12 volts does what it needs to?

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A coil is basically a step up transformer. If it's designed to accept 6V and you give it twice that then it's not going to last very long...just like any other 6V appliance that is fed 12V. On older vehicles with a point type ignition system, only 6V goes through the points regardless of whether the vehicle has a 6 or 12 volt electrical system, but on a 12V system you need the ballast resistor to reduce the voltage to the points to 6V to extend point life. You can run 12V through the points for awhile but they don't last long if you do.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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Thanks, but its not a regular appliance that is supposed to do from a certain voltage input and only that work. A transformer is a linear arrangement that steps up, so if a 12volt coil were only fed 6 volts, its should act like a 6 volt coil--step up transformer--shouldn't it?
 
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Old Jun 15, 2007 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dffay
Thanks, but its not a regular appliance that is supposed to do from a certain voltage input and only that work. A transformer is a linear arrangement that steps up, so if a 12volt coil were only fed 6 volts, its should act like a 6 volt coil--step up transformer--shouldn't it?
Not a prob giving 6 volts to a 12 volt coil, 70's duraspark system actually run between 7-9 normally. The problem with 12 to a 6 coil is it will heat up and the insulation will break down and then the smoke leaks out and it stops working. I have learned that once smoke leaks out of something electrical it usually ceases to function...... and I have never managed to catch all the smoke and get it back in yet
 
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Old Jun 16, 2007 | 05:38 AM
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My only experience with this was many years ago when I converted a 6V system to a 12V on a 34 Plymouth. I forgot about changing the coil and it worked fine for about a week before it burned up...
 
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Extensive idiot training has taught me that you CANNOT afford to let the magic smoke escape from any electrical components... That's BAD...

I'll admit I've forgotten more than I know about all this, but I was of the understanding that the voltage drop let the points last longer as well.
 
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Essentially they did the same thing with coils that they did with the gauges, when they went from 6v to 12v. Instead of a CVR like on the gauges, they used a ballast resistor, which is not a linear resistor. They are nichrome-wound filaments and the resistance changes with temperature. At idle the ballast gets hotter and has higher resistance, which is OK because the engine needs less spark and it keeps the coil cool and maximizes point life. That is also why they bypass the ballast on Ford 12v starter solenoids, it would otherwise be getting a weak spark. At higher speeds the ballast runs cooler and its resistance is somewhat less, and gives a hotter spark which the engine needs because it has higher compression pressures (higher cyinder fill).

The Ford cars with 6v systems actually had ballast resistors in the late 40's. I've never figured out why.
 
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