Puking, sanity check
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Puking, sanity check
I need a 2nd opinion if it is time to take it in (04 auto 40K, bone stock).
I had puking before so I filled degass bottle up to MIN line when HOT per info from the 4M. This equates to just over an inch below MIN line when cold. Have been monitoring ever since.
I recently inspected and cleaned EGR valve, new valve was installed in Feb., and it still looks like new so I am assuming it is functioning correctly.
I only get puking when pulling med loads (7-9K) at 60-75 mph on flat to rolling terrain, nothing severe. It is not just a drop or two I have white residue on the aircleaner, hood, fender, definetly noticable.
Is it time for a sevice call on this ???
Thanks all.
I had puking before so I filled degass bottle up to MIN line when HOT per info from the 4M. This equates to just over an inch below MIN line when cold. Have been monitoring ever since.
I recently inspected and cleaned EGR valve, new valve was installed in Feb., and it still looks like new so I am assuming it is functioning correctly.
I only get puking when pulling med loads (7-9K) at 60-75 mph on flat to rolling terrain, nothing severe. It is not just a drop or two I have white residue on the aircleaner, hood, fender, definetly noticable.
Is it time for a sevice call on this ???
Thanks all.
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77f250sc,
Sounds like the EGR cooler is starting to leak or the Head gaskets are leaking under load. Take it in and let them run the diagnostics on it to see what the cause is. Also a bad degas bottle cap can cause this.
Good luck
Sounds like the EGR cooler is starting to leak or the Head gaskets are leaking under load. Take it in and let them run the diagnostics on it to see what the cause is. Also a bad degas bottle cap can cause this.
Good luck
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77f250sc I just have a stock (no tuner) 2003 6L with very similar symptons as you for towing moderate loads but I had very little puking but with dirty exhaust/oil floating in my degas bottle. As per Blackhat and others advise I kept on taking it to the dealer until they ruled each component out adn found the my problem is leaking head gaskets (worst case scenario of the common causes).
If you have the head gasket problem many will recomend arp studs ($475) and for better insurance also install wire ring gaskets ($480) that reputable places such as LIPD carry. I am working with ford to see if they will install this under warranty and I pay for the parts.
Each truck is unique so good luck.
If you have the head gasket problem many will recomend arp studs ($475) and for better insurance also install wire ring gaskets ($480) that reputable places such as LIPD carry. I am working with ford to see if they will install this under warranty and I pay for the parts.
Each truck is unique so good luck.
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Originally Posted by 77f250sc
I need a 2nd opinion if it is time to take it in (04 auto 40K, bone stock).
I had puking before so I filled degass bottle up to MIN line when HOT per info from the 4M. This equates to just over an inch below MIN line when cold. Have been monitoring ever since.
I recently inspected and cleaned EGR valve, new valve was installed in Feb., and it still looks like new so I am assuming it is functioning correctly.
I only get puking when pulling med loads (7-9K) at 60-75 mph on flat to rolling terrain, nothing severe. It is not just a drop or two I have white residue on the aircleaner, hood, fender, definetly noticable.
Is it time for a sevice call on this ???
Thanks all.
I had puking before so I filled degass bottle up to MIN line when HOT per info from the 4M. This equates to just over an inch below MIN line when cold. Have been monitoring ever since.
I recently inspected and cleaned EGR valve, new valve was installed in Feb., and it still looks like new so I am assuming it is functioning correctly.
I only get puking when pulling med loads (7-9K) at 60-75 mph on flat to rolling terrain, nothing severe. It is not just a drop or two I have white residue on the aircleaner, hood, fender, definetly noticable.
Is it time for a sevice call on this ???
Thanks all.
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Needs gaskets according to Tech.
Took it in this A.M. Already have the answer.
Couldnt get them to do studs, oh well, I tried.
Since I am getting new gaskets, what, if anything do I need to watch out for? Any particular areas that have been problems after this fix?
Couldnt get them to do studs, oh well, I tried.
Since I am getting new gaskets, what, if anything do I need to watch out for? Any particular areas that have been problems after this fix?
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77f250sc:
My truck has not come back from Ford yet for the new Ford head gaskets and bolts (I tried for the ARP's as well) but if the heads are warped or the head/block surfaces are not within spec (flat) that new gaskets will not likley fix your problem as the block or heads may also need replacing.
So have them ensure your heads and block is within specs.
My truck has not come back from Ford yet for the new Ford head gaskets and bolts (I tried for the ARP's as well) but if the heads are warped or the head/block surfaces are not within spec (flat) that new gaskets will not likley fix your problem as the block or heads may also need replacing.
So have them ensure your heads and block is within specs.
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It's been healed, I hope
New head gaskets
New Egr cooler
New oil cooler
Heads checked
lateset FICM program
Question I have is, did I get new head bolts as well?
New Egr cooler
New oil cooler
Heads checked
lateset FICM program
Question I have is, did I get new head bolts as well?
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Originally Posted by 77f250sc
New head gaskets
New Egr cooler
New oil cooler
Heads checked
lateset FICM program
Question I have is, did I get new head bolts as well?
New Egr cooler
New oil cooler
Heads checked
lateset FICM program
Question I have is, did I get new head bolts as well?
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What to avoid?
This is may be long shot, but what scenarios cause this? WOT @ high RPM, half Throttle @ low RPM ???? Is there a given RPM and/or throttle limit that would avoid this?
I am trying to get a handle on what to avoid. I dont "drive it like you stole it" but it gets driven the same speed pulling or not. I get a run at the hills when pulling and accelerate mildly so as to not put the horses on the floor. My rule of thumb pulling horses is "you should be able to set a glass of water on the dash and never spill it" as an example of how it gets driven.
Any thoughts?
I am trying to get a handle on what to avoid. I dont "drive it like you stole it" but it gets driven the same speed pulling or not. I get a run at the hills when pulling and accelerate mildly so as to not put the horses on the floor. My rule of thumb pulling horses is "you should be able to set a glass of water on the dash and never spill it" as an example of how it gets driven.
Any thoughts?
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77f250sc,
If the heads or block surface was bad from manufacturing then there is nothing you can do to prevent the head gaskets from failing. The other main cause of head gasket failure is overboost do to sticking turbo vanes or running a "chip/inline fuel module" or poorly programmed "tuner".
Much more common than Head gasket failure is EGR cooler failure. The way to eliminate EGR cooler failure is to turn off the EGR valve in the closed position and install and exhaust up-pipe with the EGR delete.
As for watching your engine when you tow, yes driving smart is important, racing up a hill is hard on the vehicle. If you do not have gauges installed yet then intall (EGT, Boost & Trans Temp) as minimum and watch them.
If the heads or block surface was bad from manufacturing then there is nothing you can do to prevent the head gaskets from failing. The other main cause of head gasket failure is overboost do to sticking turbo vanes or running a "chip/inline fuel module" or poorly programmed "tuner".
Much more common than Head gasket failure is EGR cooler failure. The way to eliminate EGR cooler failure is to turn off the EGR valve in the closed position and install and exhaust up-pipe with the EGR delete.
As for watching your engine when you tow, yes driving smart is important, racing up a hill is hard on the vehicle. If you do not have gauges installed yet then intall (EGT, Boost & Trans Temp) as minimum and watch them.
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Next thought,
So if my truck is bone stock (which it is and always has been), and everything is working correctly, I should not have to worry?
Just to clarify, what I meant about getting a run at the hill is that I may be a bit higher than the speed limit when I am at the bottom so that I do not have to push it as hard to maintain speed during the climb.
Just to clarify, what I meant about getting a run at the hill is that I may be a bit higher than the speed limit when I am at the bottom so that I do not have to push it as hard to maintain speed during the climb.
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Originally Posted by 77f250sc
So if my truck is bone stock (which it is and always has been), and everything is working correctly, I should not have to worry?
Just to clarify, what I meant about getting a run at the hill is that I may be a bit higher than the speed limit when I am at the bottom so that I do not have to push it as hard to maintain speed during the climb.
Just to clarify, what I meant about getting a run at the hill is that I may be a bit higher than the speed limit when I am at the bottom so that I do not have to push it as hard to maintain speed during the climb.
A run up the hill is fine, i was talking about the guys who pull 12K set the cruise on 85 and want to climb the grapevine at 85-90 MPH.
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