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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 11:04 AM
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This might be your problem...

This is new SSI that Ford released on Friday related to an injector issue. Here's the details:

SUBJECT: Advance Notice: DEMONSTRATION/DELIVERY HOLD
Special Service Instruction 07T07
Certain 2008 Model Year F-Super Duty Trucks with 6.4L Diesel Engines
Fuel Injector Replacement

AFFECTED VEHICLES
Certain 2008 Model Year F-Super Duty Trucks equipped with 6.4L Diesel Engines built at the Kentucky Truck Assembly Plant from April 3, 2007 through May 21, 2007. Approximately 3,100 vehicles are affected and are identified by VIN in OASIS.

REASON FOR THIS PROGRAM
In all of the affected vehicles, three (3) fuel injectors were subjected to a reverse polarity voltage during engine testing. The injectors that received reverse polarity will not operate properly. This may potentially cause the vehicle to run rough, hesitate, or stumble on acceleration.

SERVICE ACTION
DO NOT DEMONSTRATE or DELIVER any of the affected vehicles involved in this Special Service Instruction Program. A complete Dealer bulletin will be provided to Dealers the week of June 4, 2007 when it is anticipated that parts ordering information and repair instructions will be available to support this Program.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 06:05 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions. At 54 miles when I got to dealer this morning I doubt if vehicle would be regenerating. They could not duplicate it this afternoon after waiting for vehicle to cool down. I will suggest the SSI tomorrow. We agreed for them to keep it overnight and see if it happens again tomorrow morning when they start it up.

This morning after backing out of driveway and put in D, the vehicle almost stalled out. I had to give it more gas before it died. Made it to dealer and left it there.

Service rep did comment maybe it worked itself out. Do we think they did the SSI correction and keep it quiet or maybe something else and keep it hush hush????
 
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Old Jun 6, 2007 | 11:33 PM
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chi6488, you may check into when your truck was built. I went to pick up my new '08 F350 Monday and was told that the truck could not be released until 3 fuel injectors were replaced. AND these could not be replaced until they had official instructions from the factory with proper procedures.

There is a "Special Service instruction 07T07" issued June 1st, 2007 on Certain F-SuperDuty with 6.4 built at the Kentucky plant from April 3 thru May 21st. Approximately 3,100 vehicles were affected and are identified by VIN in OASIS.

In all the affected vehicles, three (3) injectors were subjected to a reverse polarity voltage during engine testing. The injectors that received reverse polarity will not operate properly. This may potentially cause the vehicle to RUN ROUGH, HESITATE, or STUMBLE on acceleration.

The notice goes on to advise the dealers not to deliver or demo until the complete dealer bulletin is provided on the week of June 4th when it is anticipated that parts ordering information and repair instructions will be available to support the Program.

You may need to look into your VIN number and check your build date and where it was built. This may be the problem with your truck. Personally I am upset with quality control to have such a major oversite. It is a bit upsetting to know that my virgin truck, which I have not even driven yet will need to have major surgery by ???.
AND what about the 3099 other truck owners that will have to take time out of their busy schedules to get these repairs done.

Again I am not happy after waiting this long. I don't know if this is the problem with your truck but is well worth looking into. Please let us know what the true cause of your trucks poor performance.

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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 12:33 AM
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sorry for the repost mikey! I saw chi6488 earlier and just got the bad news earlier today. Anyway hope FMC can fix the mess.

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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 05:17 AM
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Thanks guys. I stopped by the dealer wednesday to pick up my truck since they said it was not doing the hesitation/almost stalling when they test drove it. Per Mikey I told adviser to look up my vin and sure enough I am one of those with bad injectors. Adviser then called later to say they can't get the parts and to come pick up vehicle and drive it. I said I was a little concerned about that b/s I was just involved in an accident with my 06 which totaled the 06 diesel. She later called back and said svc manager is trying to get the parts and to stay in the loaner vehicle.

I told them I was not making things up. The vehicle was driving poorly.

I know it sucks to think we paid all this money and have problems still. Looking at the big picture it is a minor nuisance. After my accident I am evaluating what is major importance and not. I could have lost my life but the big diesel, steel, and crew cab saved my wife, 2 kids, and me.

I was trying to not buy another ford after 5 new in 5 years and being shafted by ford on wife's 05 expedition but did not like the chevy. Not enough room and felt like I was sitting in a 1/2 ton vehicle rated as 3/4. Did not even shop the gmc b/s it was the same vehicle with a different emblem and more money than chevy. Plus my wife and I love the door keypad option on fords. Nice to know I can access my truck anytime with my index finger vs running in house to get keys.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 05:21 AM
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PhredE: Just think of it as your truck just lost its cherry but unfortunatly not by you.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 12:41 PM
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I have the hesitation and mine was built at the Kentucky plant in April. Does this definitely affect all trucks built at that plant in that timeframe? I would like to believe that the hesitation is normal and that mine was not tested with the reverse polarity...or were they all tested that way and all damaged? Wouldn't a damaged injector throw some sort of code?
 
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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 01:50 PM
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Im glad they are going to fix your issue. Keep your hopes up, everything will be ok.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 02:40 PM
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freeky: I would call dealer and have them look up your vin to see if yours is affected.

Spoke with service person today, they were able to get 2 injectors out of 3. Hopefully the 3rd one will be in tomorrow. Estimate is later next week to be repaired. They have to pull the cab to do the injectors. I have a crew cab
 
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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by freekyFX4
I have the hesitation and mine was built at the Kentucky plant in April. Does this definitely affect all trucks built at that plant in that timeframe?
You must have missed this sentence in "mikey2000" post of the SSI:

AFFECTED VEHICLES
Certain 2008 Model Year F-Super Duty Trucks equipped with 6.4L Diesel Engines built at the Kentucky Truck Assembly Plant from April 3, 2007 through May 21, 2007. Approximately 3,100 vehicles are affected and are identified by VIN in OASIS.

Originally Posted by freekyFX4
I would like to believe that the hesitation is normal and that mine was not tested with the reverse polarity...or were they all tested that way and all damaged?
In all of the affected vehicles, three (3) fuel injectors were subjected to a reverse polarity voltage during engine testing. If your truck falls into the category of VIN#'s identified by Oasis as having bad injectors, then yes it was tested with reverse polarity and damaged the injectors.

Originally Posted by freekyFX4
Wouldn't a damaged injector throw some sort of code?
The SSI does not mention any codes being set, with the information FMC has distributed in the SSI it only mentions driveability symptoms and does not mention Codes or CEL being set. Generally if a code or CEL is set FMC will post the codes in the SSI bulletin.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chi6488
freeky: I would call dealer and have them look up your vin to see if yours is affected.

Spoke with service person today, they were able to get 2 injectors out of 3. Hopefully the 3rd one will be in tomorrow. Estimate is later next week to be repaired. They have to pull the cab to do the injectors. I have a crew cab

I dont know if you want to take your truck back to this dealer as the DOESNT have to be pulled for injectors
 
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Old Jun 7, 2007 | 10:06 PM
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I do not know if anyone has the procedure yet to replace the injectors and what it entails. Seems to me FMC should overnite the parts to sold units and give them priority over the ones sitting on the lot. I will be more irritated if the cab does have to be pulled. Perhaps there is someone on this forum from Ford that could enlighten us as to the "what" and "when" and "how" on this major oversite by Quality Control.

My dealership still does not have the parts or the procedure as of this afternoon. The good news is that I will not bail out on Ford over this FoPa. I may bail on this particular truck (if the cab is pulled) but even so I have driven all the Brand "X" trucks and I am not comfortable with any but the Ford product. I still have my '03 6.0 SD 350 with no problems and may just keep it until these little issues on the '08s are resolved.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2007 | 01:41 AM
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Even if they pull the cab, I dont think it will be a big deal, and you shouldnt notice a difference cabwise, once you get it back.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2007 | 03:20 AM
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I will call the dealer later today with the VIN#. For the love of God, I hope mine is not affected. I really don't want my cab pulled this early in the game!
 
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Old Jun 8, 2007 | 12:12 PM
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Just returned from the dealership where I had a meeting with the service manager. The procedure will not require removing the cab. It will require removing the valve covers, and the most critical is that the fuel filter and lines will need R&R in which he said that extra care had to be taken to keep these parts clean.

He went on to say that parts were scarce due to being new this year. In my case he had the three needed to repair my truck. The problem is that he cannot get an answer from FMC on WHICH 3 to replace. So we wait!

I would also like to write a letter to someone at Ford about this concerning the way this has been handled and the perception of urgency, as my service manager cannot get answers to procede. Does anyone out there know where can I find the correct name or department that this could be directed to that may help this situation?

To all you that have been affected by this problem, it is important that you make sure you take your truck back to a knowledgeable dealership with a seasoned diesel mechanic that understands not only the fix but also the cause. And I might add, if the mechanic is good, there won't be any leaks, rounded off bolt heads, finger prints, or belt buckle scratches on the fenders. It certainly does not hurt to meet with the manager to discuss. If you since they are telling you b/s, there are usually other dealerships to go to.
 
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