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Old May 21, 2007 | 12:53 PM
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I used E85 in my truck for two complete fill ups.

There was a drop in perceived power, but it wasn't bad at all unless your a racer. My actual mileage dropped 2.2 mpg.

There was a $10.80 per tankful price difference, so after the mileage is figured in the E85 saved about 90 cents per tankful.

If your hauling or pulling a load, regular 87 is the way to go. If your commuting or you want to give non-US countries less money go with the E85. Do not think you will be saving yourself money by using it, you won't. But it is fun to use the yellow hose for fill ups and you get strange looks from other motorists.
 
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Old May 21, 2007 | 02:14 PM
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Hey, that's 90 cents you wouldn't have had otherwise! I wouldn't throw it out the window, so why not save some money, even if it is less than a dollar?

Besides, two tankfulls probably is not enough for the computer to fully adjust.
 
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Old May 21, 2007 | 02:32 PM
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I wonder if my 04 4.6 could be flashed to run e85????
 
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Old May 21, 2007 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wlgoble
I wonder if my 04 4.6 could be flashed to run e85????
It's not so much that updating the engine computer is a real problem, it's making sure that all the fuel system and engine components are compatible with ethanol. Ethanol is corrosive to certain materials.
 
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Old May 21, 2007 | 04:03 PM
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Really, as far as fuel system compatibility is concerned, any vehicle that was certified to run E10 will work with E85. It's methanol you want to watch out for. I have yet to see any proof that E85 is more corrosive to materials than E10.
 
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Old May 21, 2007 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rusty70f100
Really, as far as fuel system compatibility is concerned, any vehicle that was certified to run E10 will work with E85. It's methanol you want to watch out for. I have yet to see any proof that E85 is more corrosive to materials than E10.
Are you suggesting that anyone with a non-FFV vehicle just go ahead, reflash their their ECU and start running E85? Alcohols are corrosive. Dilute concentrations are less corrosive and certain materials can withstand dilute concentrations. However, unless you've got stainless steel fuel lines and/or teflon coatings on all fuel components just assume that a stronger concentration of alcohol will start eating certain gaskets and seals that are not rated for alcohols and/or those alcohol concentrations.
 
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Old May 21, 2007 | 06:00 PM
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Well I save $3 on each tank, it’s not much… but it’s still $3. I think I’m going to use it when I’m at a station that has it; problem around here is that all the stations that sell it are on the edge of the city, except for a greenway that has I priced so high it’s more expensive to run anyways, so you lose the savings if you have to make a special trip to get it.
 
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Old May 21, 2007 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wlgoble
I wonder if my 04 4.6 could be flashed to run e85????
I would not do anything that may harm my Ford. I guess I was just thinking outloud. I will ask my dealer the next time its in for service. The gas in our area already has either ethanol or methanol in it, depending which station I buy at. There is a yellow sticker on all the pumps that says 10% meth or 10% eth. Like most others I feel certian there is alot of difference between 10% and 85% as far as seals, o-rings, and alloys go. As in swimming pools, you wouldnt swim in a gallon of bleach, but you might swim in a pool that has a gallon of bleach in it. You know what I mean !!
 
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Old May 21, 2007 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wlgoble
As in swimming pools, you wouldnt swim in a gallon of bleach, but you might swim in a pool that has a gallon of bleach in it. You know what I mean !!
That's an excellent analogy.
 
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Old May 21, 2007 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rusty70f100
Really, as far as fuel system compatibility is concerned, any vehicle that was certified to run E10 will work with E85. It's methanol you want to watch out for. I have yet to see any proof that E85 is more corrosive to materials than E10.
my truck is a FFV....

now, don't take this the wrong way but nobody in their right mind is going to take their $35,000+ truck that isn't set up to run on E85 and go and do it...if your truck isn't E85 compatible how about you run E85 for the next 6 months only and report back to us with your findings???
 
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Old May 21, 2007 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bridge
Are you suggesting that anyone with a non-FFV vehicle just go ahead, reflash their their ECU and start running E85? Alcohols are corrosive. Dilute concentrations are less corrosive and certain materials can withstand dilute concentrations. However, unless you've got stainless steel fuel lines and/or teflon coatings on all fuel components just assume that a stronger concentration of alcohol will start eating certain gaskets and seals that are not rated for alcohols and/or those alcohol concentrations.
Yes. That's exactly what I'm suggesting. Many people have done this, actually. And usually they swap out injectors. I have yet to hear of one person having a fuel leak after converting to E85.

However, nobody in their right mind should tamper with their new truck in a way which would harm their warranty...
 

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Old May 21, 2007 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by King Ranch Glenn
I used E85 in my truck for two complete fill ups.

There was a drop in perceived power, but it wasn't bad at all unless your a racer. My actual mileage dropped 2.2 mpg.

There was a $10.80 per tankful price difference, so after the mileage is figured in the E85 saved about 90 cents per tankful.

If your hauling or pulling a load, regular 87 is the way to go. If your commuting or you want to give non-US countries less money go with the E85. Do not think you will be saving yourself money by using it, you won't. But it is fun to use the yellow hose for fill ups and you get strange looks from other motorists.
I beg to differ....around here its about a 25 dollar a tank difference....its quite a bit cheaper for me to run it....and i think it runs just as good if not a bit better
 
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