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Old May 2, 2007 | 11:17 PM
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EVAP System Troubles

Ok, I know this is gonna sound really vague, but I'll try to explain as best I can..
My CE light came on, and after resetting it twice and getting the same code, I know the problem is in the general vicinity of the EVAP Canister Purge Valve. I changed the hoses, as they were all crumbly and I could see daylight through them. The light came back on and threw the same code. I got a new purge valve, but when I got back home with it, I noticed that there was a plug that was running from something that is mounted on the fender on the driver's side right beside of the battery. I haven't reconnected this yet because where it was unplugged, the connectors are all gunky and need to be cleaned. I don't know what thing is, so it's hard for me to look it up. Does this thing sound familiar to anyone?
 
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Old May 3, 2007 | 07:40 AM
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Might be helpful if you would post the touble code/s your getting.

After you make the repairs, you'll want to "reset" the computer, to clear the trouble code from it's memory, so it'll know you've made the repair.

Then on the next restart, the computer will rescan the system to see if your repair fixed what was aggravating it, if not, then it'll reset the code & turn the trouble light back on.

Not yet sure about the "grimy" connector next to the battery, but from the description you've given, sounds like it's been disconnected for some time, so I'm not sure it figues in on your current evap system trouble code & light. Do you have more than one trouble code???? If so, post ALL the codes you have & the order in which they came up.
 
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Old May 3, 2007 | 11:04 AM
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If you could get a picture of the plug, or just give us the wire colors, that would help a lot as to telling you what it is.
 
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Old May 3, 2007 | 12:37 PM
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i would get that same code p 1433 no matter what i did or what lines i replaced, i just to hell with it and bought the whole assy from ford, cost me $125 but it replaced solenoid,sensor and vacuume lines
 
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Old May 3, 2007 | 02:22 PM
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I have reset the computer, and the light has come back on. The code is 1443, and that's the only one I'm getting. I'm in the process of getting some pics on here as we speak, so bear with me...lol. In the meantime, if anyone's online now, the wires are one black, one red.
 
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Old May 3, 2007 | 02:42 PM
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Pictures are now loaded in the "Parts" album in my gallery.
 
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Old May 3, 2007 | 02:59 PM
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And you may be right pawpaw, if it's been disconnected long enough to get grungy, it may very well have nothing to do with the code. I just want to get this all figured out so she'll pass inspection. I'm quite overdue!
 
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Old May 3, 2007 | 03:03 PM
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Black wire is the ground. Red one is the feed from some where, switch,etc. What ever the red wire is the on that turns it on. SMILEY !!
 
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Old May 4, 2007 | 08:17 AM
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Since the vacuum hoses were in such poor condition that you said you could see daylight through them, I wonder if enough debris from them got sucked farther up line, in the vacuum source, that it's restricted the systems flow.

So when you replaced the bad hoses, did you inspect, or clean out their up stream vacuum connection points, to make sure there was no upstream debrs restricting the tubing, hoses, or orifices????

I'd look/test from the charcoal canister & purge valve, all the way back to the intake manafold connection point.

If that doesn't turn up anything, look to the charcoal canister, as it may be saturated with fuel condensation, because the vacuum hoses were in such poor condition & leaking so badly, the canister couldn't be properly, or fully purged for a long time, so those fumes could condense & saturate the canister's innards & restrict fuel fume flow, from the gas tank, when the system is commanded to "purge".

Also an improperly installed, or operating gas cap can upset the systems operation.

If you choose to begin working on & opening the system, BE CAREFUL, those fumes are easily ignited by almost anything, from open flames in a nearby oil or gas furnace or water heater, to a smoker nearby, to hot shop lights, to a static discharge, ect, ect.

Just some additional thoughts to ponder.

Keep us posted on how your trouble shoot goes & what you find.
 
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Old May 4, 2007 | 12:53 PM
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Ok, I'm not really familiar with this system, so the charcoal canister....that would be where the hose starts from that's mounted up front, right? Also, as far as debris, I checked all the hose connection points and didn't see anything. Does the charcoal canister itself need to be taken off and possibly cleaned as well?
Also, thank you for your time and all the infor you've provided so far.
 
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Old May 4, 2007 | 01:46 PM
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When you replaced the purge solenoid, one hose should have been coming from the charcoal canister, which stores the fuel tank, intake manafold & throttlebody's gas fumes, the other hose from the canister purge valve should go to the intake manafold side of hings, so the engine can "sniff" these fumes when the computer tells the purge valve to open.

SO, if any of these hoses, orfaces, the valve, or the canister, are "stuffed up" the system won't breathe right & the computer won't be happy & that seems to be your case, as your code is for "low, or no purge flow.

Since the canister has a purge port & the system is purged through a "metered" orifice, anything that restricts that flow, is going to upset the systems balance.

SO, imo it might be a good idea to remove the charcoal canister & see if it's clogged up with fuel condensation, or if the metered orifice is stopped up. & i'm not sure on which end of the system that metered orifice is on, the canister side, or the throttle body/intake manafold side.

I assume we're talking about your 96 2.3L Ranger, right?????? If so, maybe some one with the 2.3L, that knows where the evap systems metered orifice is located, will chime in.
 
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Old May 4, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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on mine the solenoid and the purge valve are on the same line. both have plug connectors. the solenoid is nearer the battery.
 
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Old May 4, 2007 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 97ranger xlt
on mine the solenoid and the purge valve are on the same line. both have plug connectors. the solenoid is nearer the battery.
Yeah, that's how mine is set up.
 
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Old May 4, 2007 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by blackie96
Yeah, that's how mine is set up.
as a side note i did not remove the canister. i just replaced the solenoid and the purge valve with dealer parts, also the entire line they are attached to. cleared the code and it never came back...

oh and i replaced the gas cap too for good measure.
 
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Old May 5, 2007 | 10:51 PM
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An update to the parts mystery. The plug that was unplugged was actually for the ABS sensor, nothing to do with the EVAP system.
 
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