oil question
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From: Sioux Falls, SD
Most motor oil has some type of anti-foam additive blended in. The ASTM D-892 test measures a motor oils ability to resist foaming. <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P style="MARGIN: 0px">The better oils will list there ASTM D-892 and ASTM D6082 (high temp foam test) test results because they know how good their oil is. </O:P>
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<O:P style="MARGIN: 0px">for example the Schaeffer's 9000 series passes all 3 sequences of the ASTM D-892 and ASTM D6082 tests with 0% foaming - so you are good to go. Here's the link to the Technical Data Sheet FYI</O:P>
<O:P style="MARGIN: 0px">http://www.schaefferoil.com/datapdf/9000.pdf</O:P>
The foam test results are about 2/3 the way down on page 4
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<O:P style="MARGIN: 0px">jtharvey, </O:P>
<O:P style="MARGIN: 0px">for example the Schaeffer's 9000 series passes all 3 sequences of the ASTM D-892 and ASTM D6082 tests with 0% foaming - so you are good to go. Here's the link to the Technical Data Sheet FYI</O:P>
<O:P style="MARGIN: 0px">http://www.schaefferoil.com/datapdf/9000.pdf</O:P>
The foam test results are about 2/3 the way down on page 4
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fricker.... Welcome to FTE!
Great info, fricker and White Buffalo. Thanks. Makes me begin to second guess my choice of oil for my engine. Hmmm... I'm gonna have to dig into this a bit more. I had considered trying Schaeffer's oil from things I've heard about them. This is one more reason to give them a shot at my engine once I change out what I'm running at the moment.
Great info, fricker and White Buffalo. Thanks. Makes me begin to second guess my choice of oil for my engine. Hmmm... I'm gonna have to dig into this a bit more. I had considered trying Schaeffer's oil from things I've heard about them. This is one more reason to give them a shot at my engine once I change out what I'm running at the moment.
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Making me reconsider going synthetic. I know up here it would help in the winter, but I had no problem with Rotella 10W30 and just a little problem when the darn shop put Rotella 15W40 in for the winter. I know with the synthetic, I wasn't going to do a oil analysis on it based off of my experience in the aviation world with oil analysis.
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Originally Posted by nodakford
... I know with the synthetic, I wasn't going to do a oil analysis on it based off of my experience in the aviation world with oil analysis.
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The cold winters forced me to go synthetic-easier starting, no ROMP ROMP, and builds oil pressure faster. If I lived in the warmer climates, I would have stayed with the 15-40, but I didn't like my truck romping for 20-30 seconds before it would smooth out, and taking so long to build oil pressure. Truck doesn't idle any better or any worse, and mileage is the same as with the 15-40. I am going to run it year around and see how it goes.
Johnny, which Arctic Cat dealer do you work for out there? I work for RV Sports here in Minnesota.
Johnny, which Arctic Cat dealer do you work for out there? I work for RV Sports here in Minnesota.
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thanks for the welcome back.. it's nice to be able to spend time on here again..!!! I am working for Freedom Cycle in Concord, NH... what an awesome place and great people to work with... it's been a LONG time since i could say that..!! anyway... back on topic...
i'm doing an oil change on tommorow... i think i'll see if i can find some regular Rotella instead of the synthetic... it's warm enough now that i don't have to worry about the ROMP ROMP from the cold morning starts... i run syn in the winter to eliminate that also... i will try to pay close attention, especially at start up, to see if my mule has anything to say about the different oil...
i'm doing an oil change on tommorow... i think i'll see if i can find some regular Rotella instead of the synthetic... it's warm enough now that i don't have to worry about the ROMP ROMP from the cold morning starts... i run syn in the winter to eliminate that also... i will try to pay close attention, especially at start up, to see if my mule has anything to say about the different oil...
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From: Millbrook Alabama
Been runnin Delo ever since her first oil change, 234K+ miles and even with heavy towing still have never had to add more than 1/2qt in 6k mile O/C intervals. And with what Luey said, I sticking to dead dinosaurs.
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thanks for the input guys. I now have almost 300k on my 00 1 ton and have been running 15/40 rotella in it forever. i just recently put new injectors in it but besides that it has been good to me. As far as you guys that get oil tested it seems like a waste, i mean a diesel is ment to run, pull work ect. i woudn't worry about that oil crap to much, hell i only change mine every 5,000-8,000 miles on the cheap old rotella.
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From: sycamore, illinois
i run nothing but rotella T 15W40 and have had no problems the company i work for is big on synthetic everything, grease and oil and they have had problems with their Cat engines eating injectors with mobil syn
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From: South Dakota
Oil Analysis
Originally Posted by F250_
Can you summarize this experience (which lab, etc.)?
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From: Rio Rico, AZ.
Originally Posted by nodakford
The machines aren't accurate. They vary extremely upon the setup. I deal mainly with the military for doing oil analysis. I have seen 1 sample burned and the results say that I need to change the part and the same sample burned 5 min later saying it was good. There is an turbine engine manufacture that sent out a bulletin saying "Don't predicate your maintenance upon oil analysis" All oil analysis is to me based on my experience is it is a false sense of security. You are better off changing oil at a specific interval.
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From: Middle Tennessee
I believe I've made my thoughts on OAs quite clear in the past despite the flames. Do the maintenance and let it ride. Of course the sky can be falling on me but telling me it is will not keep it from falling. Flame on. There is useful info there, but there is also erroneous info too.
I gaurantee I change my oil and filter way before it is due. Not much more to do that than run an OA and try to extend my use. I'd rather just run fresh.
I gaurantee I change my oil and filter way before it is due. Not much more to do that than run an OA and try to extend my use. I'd rather just run fresh.