10 K mod warning !!
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FOREIGN GURU
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From: Celaya, Gto. MX
10 K mod warning !!
I read this about the 10K & 18 K mod:
....Yea, great mod to kill the transmission.
The PCM uses "load" to calculate both proper engine and transmission controls.
When you LIE to the PCM it thinks one thing (lower load) is happening when really much higher engine loads are taking place. This is sort of like telling the transmission you are at part throttle when you are at WOT. The shift strategies and line pressures will be WAY off for the actual operating conditions.
Then people get mad that the trans did not last under increased power. Nope, it was killed.......
What is your opinion?, because a lot of us have this mod (10K ) working
....Yea, great mod to kill the transmission.
The PCM uses "load" to calculate both proper engine and transmission controls.
When you LIE to the PCM it thinks one thing (lower load) is happening when really much higher engine loads are taking place. This is sort of like telling the transmission you are at part throttle when you are at WOT. The shift strategies and line pressures will be WAY off for the actual operating conditions.
Then people get mad that the trans did not last under increased power. Nope, it was killed.......
What is your opinion?, because a lot of us have this mod (10K ) working
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From: Marietta, OH/Weirton, WV
The 10k uses the ICP sensor which only controls fuel delivery and high pressure oil to the injectors. It doesnt sense a load to tell the tranny anything. Those inputs come from EBP sensor, TPS, VSS those are what determine how the tranny shifts and operates. The only way the tranny would be hurt is from the extra power the 10k makes and your driving habits using the 10k and towing. BTW 10k doesnt add much power so I dont think it would hurt anything.
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From: Nampa, ID
I haven't done the 10k mod, but would like to hear from those that have. It seems to me that this mod doesn't try to "tell" the tranny anything.
Those that have done the 10k, have you noticed a change in shifting firmness or harshness?
Those that have done the 10k, have you noticed a change in shifting firmness or harshness?
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From: Lancaster County PA
10k mod is the most bang for your buck available.
Resistor= $1.25 (max)
heat shrink tubing= $.14 ?
small piece of wire = $0
solder=$.05?
Total cost (not including $ for your time)= way less than 2 bucks
If it gives ya 10 more hp (I have seen claims anywhere from 7 to 30 hp increases) then it is costing you, at most, $.20 per hp.
Imagine what your $300 chip would do for you @ $.20/hp!
Anyway, I've had it on for several months now and can definitely tell the difference. It really shows up around 1300 rpm for me. Slight increase in MPG as long as I keep my foot out of it.
I have a zf5 tranny so I can't comment on any ill effects to the transmission.
Do it. You won't regret it. Dozens and dozens (if not hundreds and hundreds) of PSD owners have don the 10k or some variation with no ill effects other than the fact that if you abuse the new found "snappiness" the mod provides it would be possible to cause premature wear to any of the power train components.
Resistor= $1.25 (max)
heat shrink tubing= $.14 ?
small piece of wire = $0
solder=$.05?
Total cost (not including $ for your time)= way less than 2 bucks
If it gives ya 10 more hp (I have seen claims anywhere from 7 to 30 hp increases) then it is costing you, at most, $.20 per hp.
Imagine what your $300 chip would do for you @ $.20/hp!
Anyway, I've had it on for several months now and can definitely tell the difference. It really shows up around 1300 rpm for me. Slight increase in MPG as long as I keep my foot out of it.
I have a zf5 tranny so I can't comment on any ill effects to the transmission.
Do it. You won't regret it. Dozens and dozens (if not hundreds and hundreds) of PSD owners have don the 10k or some variation with no ill effects other than the fact that if you abuse the new found "snappiness" the mod provides it would be possible to cause premature wear to any of the power train components.
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I'm curious..anyone have a link for step by step install? Will it work on a 96, not worried about the auto tranny mines a 5 speed.
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I have some A4OD tranny stuff to post here which was listed in my diesel power magazine i picked up at the airport in atlanta.
I'll scan the pages, and make them available to everyone.
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From: hillsborough nj
i thought it was called the E4OD, but anyways back to the topic, the 10k mod just tricks the IDM into giving your truck more fuel right? so pretty much this is completely unneccessary if you have a chip?
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From: Ashland City, TN
well, the chip does one thing, and the mod does another thing.
The chip isn't adding that extra dab of fuel that the mod is.
The chip is adjusting more things then just that.
How can you go wrong with a 50 cent mod?
The chip isn't adding that extra dab of fuel that the mod is.
The chip is adjusting more things then just that.
How can you go wrong with a 50 cent mod?
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From: Cabot, Arkansas
Originally Posted by Talyn
well, the chip does one thing, and the mod does another thing.
As an example....way back when I dyno'd my first ever chip, an 80 horse Superchip profile, the 10k resistor made an additional 20HP over just the chip. Fast forward a couple of years to a dyno run with the same resistor over a DP 120horse tune and it ended up making 5 fewer ponies.
If you have an aggressive profile from DP, DI, T/S, etc. stacking the 10k on it will be counterproductive.
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From: hillsborough nj
Originally Posted by cookie88
Not exactly. The 10k mod does one of the things the chip also does. Weather the 10k works with a chip or not depends on the chip, and how much ICP it has dialed in.
As an example....way back when I dyno'd my first ever chip, an 80 horse Superchip profile, the 10k resistor made an additional 20HP over just the chip. Fast forward a couple of years to a dyno run with the same resistor over a DP 120horse tune and it ended up making 5 fewer ponies.
If you have an aggressive profile from DP, DI, T/S, etc. stacking the 10k on it will be counterproductive.
As an example....way back when I dyno'd my first ever chip, an 80 horse Superchip profile, the 10k resistor made an additional 20HP over just the chip. Fast forward a couple of years to a dyno run with the same resistor over a DP 120horse tune and it ended up making 5 fewer ponies.
If you have an aggressive profile from DP, DI, T/S, etc. stacking the 10k on it will be counterproductive.
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From: Cabot, Arkansas
Dunno. Haven't had it on the rollers in a while. The last time I ran, before the injectors I did 347/803. I should be at or a little better than 400 at the wheels now....assuming my high torque stage II's are producing at least half of what they are rated for.