Question for the SAS guys
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Question for the SAS guys
For those of you that have done a SAS, with roughly 6 inches lift (a normal SAS is getting 6 or 7, right?) What size tires are you guys fitting under your trucks? I know a 35X12.5 would work, but what about a set of Ground Hawgs at 36X14.5? would they fit decently? would you have to run an offset wheel to deal with the extra width?
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Well if its your 95 your doing it on, when i did my sas i had 8 inches of lift, and a 3 inch body lift and the 35s would still rub if i was wheelin hard. I'd say you have to have at least 7 inches and maybe still not enough clearance. if i did it again i'd have moved the front axle forward an inch or two to take care of the problem.
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where was the rubbing for you? mostly on the radius arms? did you use aftermarket arms? I am considering a set of cage offroad arms that have a pretty nice bend in them to help a little with the rubbing issues of larger tires.
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Josh,
I fit 36x14.5 IROK's on my 95 and never really had a problem (this is the same truck in my sig with only a 6" SAS that I now mud bog, and no other lift!). I would rub on the radius arms if I turned it too far, but a quick adjustment to the steering stops fixed that problem. If you plan on using it to go rock crawling, then they 36's will rub the fenders when the suspension is flexed, but if you just want to go through some moderate trails and mud, then you'll be fine. It all depends on what you plan on doing with it.
I fit 36x14.5 IROK's on my 95 and never really had a problem (this is the same truck in my sig with only a 6" SAS that I now mud bog, and no other lift!). I would rub on the radius arms if I turned it too far, but a quick adjustment to the steering stops fixed that problem. If you plan on using it to go rock crawling, then they 36's will rub the fenders when the suspension is flexed, but if you just want to go through some moderate trails and mud, then you'll be fine. It all depends on what you plan on doing with it.
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ok, yeah. I wasnt planning on anything too flexy, dont really have any rock crawling places around here, its mostly trails mud and fallen trees where I like to roam.
I should also consider that the ground hawgs run a lot smaller than actually size and a 38.5X15.5 is almost exactly a 37X14.5. I am not sure though on how much smaller the 36X14.5 is. Anyone know? I resurrected an old thread on ground hawgs last night but no luck yet.
Kjett, when are you gonna post some pics of your axle swaps? Really looking forward to seeing how you did it. later.
I should also consider that the ground hawgs run a lot smaller than actually size and a 38.5X15.5 is almost exactly a 37X14.5. I am not sure though on how much smaller the 36X14.5 is. Anyone know? I resurrected an old thread on ground hawgs last night but no luck yet.
Kjett, when are you gonna post some pics of your axle swaps? Really looking forward to seeing how you did it. later.
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Originally Posted by joshdvirnak
ok, yeah. I wasnt planning on anything too flexy, dont really have any rock crawling places around here, its mostly trails mud and fallen trees where I like to roam.
I should also consider that the ground hawgs run a lot smaller than actually size and a 38.5X15.5 is almost exactly a 37X14.5. I am not sure though on how much smaller the 36X14.5 is. Anyone know? I resurrected an old thread on ground hawgs last night but no luck yet.
Kjett, when are you gonna post some pics of your axle swaps? Really looking forward to seeing how you did it. later.
I should also consider that the ground hawgs run a lot smaller than actually size and a 38.5X15.5 is almost exactly a 37X14.5. I am not sure though on how much smaller the 36X14.5 is. Anyone know? I resurrected an old thread on ground hawgs last night but no luck yet.
Kjett, when are you gonna post some pics of your axle swaps? Really looking forward to seeing how you did it. later.
I had some pics but can't find them. VanWho has a pic of my truck from the last mud bog in his gallery (https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gal...148522&width=0) you can check out. The tires are my 33" trailer tires to give you an idea of fenderwell clearance.
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mine rubbed both the arms, which i used extended aftermarket arms for the 95 lift kit, and then fabbed up mounts for those to mount to a solid axle. But they also rubbed the back corners of the fenders....like i said, i'd have moved the axle forward an inch or two and that would have taken care of my problem, most of the rubbing was during flexing alot, although i didn't rock climb, but flexing while trail riding and over stumps and that sort of thing....
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Thanks for the info, what did you think of the ground hawgs? they last a long time?
Ryan, if you would have moved the axle forward, how would you have done it? I am guessing just when you mounted the extended radius arms you would have moved them, also the coil buckets. but, how would that throw of steering alignment? would that cause a lot of problems? i guess you would just have to take it into consideration when fabricating pieces for the steering after the lift
Ryan, if you would have moved the axle forward, how would you have done it? I am guessing just when you mounted the extended radius arms you would have moved them, also the coil buckets. but, how would that throw of steering alignment? would that cause a lot of problems? i guess you would just have to take it into consideration when fabricating pieces for the steering after the lift
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the steering wouldn't have been a problem, i'd have had plenty of space there to deal with at least an inch. The arm mounts and the coil buckets would have just moved an inch forward. Honestly if your just trail riding and that sort of thing....BFG mud terrains are the way to go...you'll get 25000 miles or so out of a set.
And i only ever got stuck once....but it wasn't the tires fault...none of them were touching the ground...
And i only ever got stuck once....but it wasn't the tires fault...none of them were touching the ground...
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haha, well i guess i shouldnt be laughing its not funny when no tires are on the ground, i was laughing at the statement, hit me funny!
Yeah, I still havent decided what I will go with for tires, I am still in the process of gathering parts for the SAS. Who knows, maybe end up with some cheap buckshots or something, but I just like how well the ground hawgs are supposed to hold up on the road and how they still perform offroad.
I just cant justify spending almost 200 for a 35" BFG MT when you can buy a 36" TSL radial for almost the same price or a ground hawg for a bit more. or you can buy a 35" buckshot for around 150. choices, choices
Yeah, I still havent decided what I will go with for tires, I am still in the process of gathering parts for the SAS. Who knows, maybe end up with some cheap buckshots or something, but I just like how well the ground hawgs are supposed to hold up on the road and how they still perform offroad.
I just cant justify spending almost 200 for a 35" BFG MT when you can buy a 36" TSL radial for almost the same price or a ground hawg for a bit more. or you can buy a 35" buckshot for around 150. choices, choices
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Really? I have been reading through lots of threads on FTE and different boards as well, and I never read about them wearing out that soon, read reports of people running them on their daily drivers and they last for years, since they are such a hard compound of rubber.
Interesting... will have to do some more research
Interesting... will have to do some more research
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Have another question, and since i started it, I can hijack my own thread, right? 
After switching to a D44 straight axle, did any of you swap out your rear axle (besides Kjett) How does a 8.8 hold up to compared to a 9inch?
I was just thinking that if i found a 78-79 in a junk yard, I could grab both then I wouldnt have to deal with different gear ratios. I am also trying to find axles with a higher gear ratio to begin with, hopefully saving some money so I dont have to regear them once I get them.
also, anyone know what ratios were found in a 78-79 F150?
thanks again
After switching to a D44 straight axle, did any of you swap out your rear axle (besides Kjett) How does a 8.8 hold up to compared to a 9inch?
I was just thinking that if i found a 78-79 in a junk yard, I could grab both then I wouldnt have to deal with different gear ratios. I am also trying to find axles with a higher gear ratio to begin with, hopefully saving some money so I dont have to regear them once I get them.
also, anyone know what ratios were found in a 78-79 F150?
thanks again
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The problem with switching out your rear would be the VSS tone ring that is in you 8.8 is not available in the 9". I still have my 8.8 rear, for now, as it is almost as strong as a 9" and aftermarket support is faily decent to beef it up. Granted it is nowhere near the strength of a 60 or a 10.25/10.50, but for what you plan on doing with the truck, and if you keep the tires down to the 35-26" range max, then you should be fine. Just make sure you match the gears and use the right ratio for your tires. With my 351w and E4OD, 4.56 and 36's put my rpms around 2200 cruising at 70mph.
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Oh yeah, forgot about the VSS, I was looking at gears for the 8.8 and they arent that expensive. I was planning on 4.56s and around 35s.
I was also thinking about running limited slips in both ends, I am not sure that I would need a full locker. How does the idea of front and rear limited slips sound to you?
I was also thinking about running limited slips in both ends, I am not sure that I would need a full locker. How does the idea of front and rear limited slips sound to you?