Air filter ???
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Air filter ???
Help. I wanted to check my air filter on my '05 PSD today and I can not figure out how to get the fool thing apart. I opened the clips, loosened the air tube, disconnected the MAS and vacuum filter checker (for lack of correct name) and the housing still seems firmly attached to something that I can't see. Any help appreciated.
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Bill in KY
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Originally Posted by hodgekuter
Help. I wanted to check my air filter on my '05 PSD today and I can not figure out how to get the fool thing apart. I opened the clips, loosened the air tube, disconnected the MAS and vacuum filter checker (for lack of correct name) and the housing still seems firmly attached to something that I can't see. Any help appreciated.
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Bill in KY
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As WishIhada7.3 said look in tech folder for procedure to change.
Hope this helps
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Well the accuracy or rather inaccuracy of the filter minder leaves alot to be desired. The way to check it is gently drop it on the ground and see how much dirt comes out the inlet end. I would say max 30k. 15K in dusty conditions.
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Originally Posted by mrxlh
Well the accuracy or rather inaccuracy of the filter minder leaves alot to be desired. The way to check it is gently drop it on the ground and see how much dirt comes out the inlet end. I would say max 30k. 15K in dusty conditions.
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Originally Posted by PowerStrokeHD
Now you got me wondering... Just how much dirt is supposed to fall out before it needs to be changed?
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Originally Posted by mrxlh
Well the accuracy or rather inaccuracy of the filter minder leaves alot to be desired. The way to check it is gently drop it on the ground and see how much dirt comes out the inlet end. I would say max 30k. 15K in dusty conditions.
This is where you and i disagree, i have been using filter restriction gauges on off road and heavy equipment for years, and always use the restriction gauge on the 6.0. FMC says to use the filter restriction gauge as the only reliable way to tell if the filter is dirty. Donaldson who makes the filters also says that you can't determine how dirty the filter is by looking at it. www.donaldson.com
The Donaldson Powercore filter on the 6.0 is designed to hold up to 3 lbs of dirt before needing replacement. I have seen the restriction gauge move on my trucks and at 50k miles was only to the first line. So depending on were you drive your truck, is going to depend on how fast the filter will get dirty.
If you feel better changing your filter at 15k or 30k then by all means do it, but for me with all the years of using filter restriction gauges and never having a problem along with FMC and Donaldson saying the same thing, i have no problem with the restriction gauge on the 6.0.
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Originally Posted by hodgekuter
Help. I wanted to check my air filter on my '05 PSD today and I can not figure out how to get the fool thing apart. I opened the clips, loosened the air tube, disconnected the MAS and vacuum filter checker (for lack of correct name) and the housing still seems firmly attached to something that I can't see. Any help appreciated.
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Bill in KY
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I agree with mrxlh, that filter minder is a joke. If you go by that thing your truck will be gasping for air if starting at all if you wait till it says to change. 30000-15000 is a saf gauge depending upon conditions
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I was wondering if my filter minder was broken, as it never moved even with all of the driving on roads with mucho winter sanding. I would have expected to have a dirty filter sooner. When the minder finally showed restriction, I changed it and found a rodent nest in the housing. Okay, from this I deducted that they do in fact work.
I, for one, will trust this handy little device, just as Ford and Donaldson have reccommended.
These filters are designed very well. That is also why I don't see it necessary to change out to a KNN or other aftermarket filter. (well except to make it easier to change). I have been told by Diesel Techs, who are allot smarter than me when it comes to diesel engines, that the stock Ford 6.0 filter is a very efficient design. Unless I see something substantial to disprove them, I will use the system as intended.
I, for one, will trust this handy little device, just as Ford and Donaldson have reccommended.
These filters are designed very well. That is also why I don't see it necessary to change out to a KNN or other aftermarket filter. (well except to make it easier to change). I have been told by Diesel Techs, who are allot smarter than me when it comes to diesel engines, that the stock Ford 6.0 filter is a very efficient design. Unless I see something substantial to disprove them, I will use the system as intended.
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Originally Posted by wiingnut
I agree with mrxlh, that filter minder is a joke. If you go by that thing your truck will be gasping for air if starting at all if you wait till it says to change. 30000-15000 is a saf gauge depending upon conditions
For me I can not justify replacing a filter that is designed to hold 1200g of dirt every 15K or even 30K. Maybe if I lived literally in the desert. But if that is what you are comfortable doing, by all means, do it.
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Originally Posted by wiingnut
I agree with mrxlh, that filter minder is a joke. If you go by that thing your truck will be gasping for air if starting at all if you wait till it says to change. 30000-15000 is a saf gauge depending upon conditions
In fact you can drive the vehicle up to 250 miles after the gauge shows max restriction (25-inches of vacuum) without damaging any components. Here is the quote from the Diesel Supplement manual:
"The vehicle may be driven with the engine air filter warning light
illuminated/or when the underhood air filter restriction gauge has moved
to the CHANGE FILTER mark for up to 250 miles (400 km) without
damaging the engine or related components." (page 8)
"Note: It is not possible to determine the level of filter clogging by visual
appearance alone. A filter which appears to be dirty may actually have
several thousand miles (kilometers) of life remaining." (page 9)
Air filter restriction gauges have been used successfully for many years on all off road and heavy equipment with no ill effects.
Hope this helps
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Do what you want, it is your truck. $52 every 30k is absolutly cheaper than $13k for a new engine. If you guys are happy with the filter minder, by all means use it as your guide. I have way to many of the same crappy filter minders on my 16 units at work, (that is 2 per engine) at less than a year old less than half of them still work. My company pays for my maintenance and I ablige them.
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Originally Posted by mrxlh
My company pays for my maintenance and I ablige them.
My company also pays for my maintenance, but 3-5K oil changes and 15-30K air filters does not fly with this company that operates/maintains a fleet of over 30 6.0L's. As a Tier 1 supplier to Ford, all their maintenance/operational costs are billed back to Ford and that would not fly with Ford either.
It is also difficult to argue with their service regiment when they have a good track record with thier 6.0L's.
