Murphy's Revenge
FTE Leadership Emeritus
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 13,653
Likes: 6
From: Cabot, Arkansas
Originally Posted by Chris Gabe Lube Specialties
Other than that it is an open book. I will tell you anything you want to know.
Also, is the 64 oz. bottle a single treatment for a 15 qt. capacity oil system?
Former Vendor
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Cookie, It does not contain teflon or PTFE. Those products are not oil soluble. They tend to settle out or get filtered out. It does contain a friction modifier called Molly-D. An oil soluble form of Molybdenum. Molly reduces wear and friction. I have a copy of an SAE paper that states it reduced fuel consumtion 3-5%. If you are interested in reading it email me and I will send you a copy and the website you can download it from. 64 oz treats a 20 quart system. You can save the extra or you can add it. In the testing we used the 64 oz treatment on both the 15 quart and 20 quart systems and it worked fine in both. We were able to see results within 100 miles and we tested the oil at 5000 miles for wear metals and viscosity.
Thanks,
Chris
Thanks,
Chris
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,567
Likes: 3
From: Chattanooga
I got 400 thousand plus out of my injectors and Ive used Chris's product when it first came out as well as a few time thereafter. Most of you know Ive driven coast to coast for a living in this truck. Chris has kept my trucks oil and fuel system clean as well as my dads 6.0. His truck has seen less problems then other 6.0 users. Strokin7.3 I would NOT bullshoot my fellow fords buddies on this. It can be used on any diesel system but Ive asked him to come here guys and support this forum. Ive had his site on my signature for a while now as well as the 3 gallon 1 micron filter system I purchased from him.
Post Fiend
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 11,892
Likes: 2
From: Middle Tennessee
Originally Posted by kennedyford
I got 400 thousand plus out of my injectors and Ive used Chris's product when it first came out as well as a few time thereafter. Most of you know Ive driven coast to coast for a living in this truck.
FTE Leadership Emeritus
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 13,653
Likes: 6
From: Cabot, Arkansas
Originally Posted by Chris Gabe Lube Specialties
Cookie, It does not contain teflon or PTFE. Those products are not oil soluble.
Have you done any extended oil drain interval testing, or is 5000 miles as far as you've gone? Have you done any testing with sub-micronic filtration to make sure the additive does not get filtered out?
I notice your additive also includes extra anti-foaming agents. May I assume this is to counteract the effects of the molybdenum disulfide?
Former Vendor
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Cookie,
We have left it in there for extended drains and it helps the whole process. All the additives are oil soluble and are way below the .25 micron level. I don't remember exactly but I will call the chemist tomorrow and find out. Liquid Moly is not the same as Moly Disulfide. Moly Disulfide can settle out, Moly-d stays in suspension indefinately. It is also has more oxidation stabilty. I can send you a performance data sheet on both of them if you are interested. I had to restate on another post that HSS was designed to fix a specific problem. It is not made as an overall oil additive. There are better products for that. This is heavy in detergent and dispersant. It will safely clean the injectors and turbos. The Moly was just added as a bonus. I know $50 sounds like a lot but it is 2 quarts of additive blended, tested, packaged, shipped and guaranteed. If it works like it suppose to, it will be the best $50 you ever spent. If not, call or email and I will credit your card. It's that easy.
We have left it in there for extended drains and it helps the whole process. All the additives are oil soluble and are way below the .25 micron level. I don't remember exactly but I will call the chemist tomorrow and find out. Liquid Moly is not the same as Moly Disulfide. Moly Disulfide can settle out, Moly-d stays in suspension indefinately. It is also has more oxidation stabilty. I can send you a performance data sheet on both of them if you are interested. I had to restate on another post that HSS was designed to fix a specific problem. It is not made as an overall oil additive. There are better products for that. This is heavy in detergent and dispersant. It will safely clean the injectors and turbos. The Moly was just added as a bonus. I know $50 sounds like a lot but it is 2 quarts of additive blended, tested, packaged, shipped and guaranteed. If it works like it suppose to, it will be the best $50 you ever spent. If not, call or email and I will credit your card. It's that easy.
Senior User
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 491
Likes: 2
From: Spicewood, TX.
Schaeffers oil 7000 and 9000 is stacked with Moly..They were the ones that were able to get it suspended in the oil and not sink to the bottom of the pan..
Others had been putting Moly in their oil for years, but it would seperate and sink to the bottom, Scheaffers was the ones who broke through and kept it suspended. Now Moly is showing up in the other oils as well, Delo just recently has using a good dose of Moly..
Any oil that has a good helping of Moly in it is good for the Powerstroke, because of the HPOP system..
This is one of the major reasons Schaeffers works so well in the Powerstroke..
Right WB???
Others had been putting Moly in their oil for years, but it would seperate and sink to the bottom, Scheaffers was the ones who broke through and kept it suspended. Now Moly is showing up in the other oils as well, Delo just recently has using a good dose of Moly..
Any oil that has a good helping of Moly in it is good for the Powerstroke, because of the HPOP system..
This is one of the major reasons Schaeffers works so well in the Powerstroke..
Right WB???
FTE Stories
Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals
Joe Kucinski
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership
Brett Foote
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches
Pouria Savadkouei
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained
Brett Foote
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love
Joe Kucinski
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)
Michael S. Palmer
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer
Joe Kucinski
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)
Brett Foote
Post Fiend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,426
Likes: 6
From: Sioux Falls, SD
Originally Posted by Mach1
Schaeffers oil 7000 and 9000 is stacked with Moly..They were the ones that were able to get it suspended in the oil and not sink to the bottom of the pan..
Others had been putting Moly in their oil for years, but it would seperate and sink to the bottom, Scheaffers was the ones who broke through and kept it suspended. Now Moly is showing up in the other oils as well, Delo just recently has using a good dose of Moly..
Any oil that has a good helping of Moly in it is good for the Powerstroke, because of the HPOP system..
This is one of the major reasons Schaeffers works so well in the Powerstroke..
Right WB???
Others had been putting Moly in their oil for years, but it would seperate and sink to the bottom, Scheaffers was the ones who broke through and kept it suspended. Now Moly is showing up in the other oils as well, Delo just recently has using a good dose of Moly..
Any oil that has a good helping of Moly in it is good for the Powerstroke, because of the HPOP system..
This is one of the major reasons Schaeffers works so well in the Powerstroke..
Right WB???
http://www.schaefferoil.com
Although I think it was discovered by a group of mad scientists (maybe the one from Bugs Bunny was there) and NASA, or something to that effect
FTE Leadership Emeritus
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 13,653
Likes: 6
From: Cabot, Arkansas
Originally Posted by Chris Gabe Lube Specialties
Cookie,
We have left it in there for extended drains and it helps the whole process. All the additives are oil soluble and are way below the .25 micron level. I don't remember exactly but I will call the chemist tomorrow and find out. Liquid Moly is not the same as Moly Disulfide. Moly Disulfide can settle out, Moly-d stays in suspension indefinately. It is also has more oxidation stabilty. I can send you a performance data sheet on both of them if you are interested. I had to restate on another post that HSS was designed to fix a specific problem. It is not made as an overall oil additive. There are better products for that. This is heavy in detergent and dispersant. It will safely clean the injectors and turbos. The Moly was just added as a bonus. I know $50 sounds like a lot but it is 2 quarts of additive blended, tested, packaged, shipped and guaranteed. If it works like it suppose to, it will be the best $50 you ever spent. If not, call or email and I will credit your card. It's that easy.
We have left it in there for extended drains and it helps the whole process. All the additives are oil soluble and are way below the .25 micron level. I don't remember exactly but I will call the chemist tomorrow and find out. Liquid Moly is not the same as Moly Disulfide. Moly Disulfide can settle out, Moly-d stays in suspension indefinately. It is also has more oxidation stabilty. I can send you a performance data sheet on both of them if you are interested. I had to restate on another post that HSS was designed to fix a specific problem. It is not made as an overall oil additive. There are better products for that. This is heavy in detergent and dispersant. It will safely clean the injectors and turbos. The Moly was just added as a bonus. I know $50 sounds like a lot but it is 2 quarts of additive blended, tested, packaged, shipped and guaranteed. If it works like it suppose to, it will be the best $50 you ever spent. If not, call or email and I will credit your card. It's that easy.
Senior User
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 491
Likes: 0
From: Kingsland, GA
Well, I can attest to the Moly materials, in the navy we use it in a 130,000 lbs friction barrier. The stuff is amazing and hard as hell to wash off. I can say what we use it on but it would amaze you how much and what conditions it used in, I think I might be getting some of that treatment. Does it work well with synthetics? I want to switch. BTW, how about gear oil and tranny lube anything in the works for that?
Elder User
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 870
Likes: 0
From: Mountaintop, PA
In a world full of snake oils, this is going to be a hard one to push. Although, with internal pics of injectors(before and after), relvant data, and live feedback, you could be on to something. Maybe even a blackstone anaylisis of what is in the additive would back up your claim. Also, as the deposits would be pushed/cleaned out of the injectors, they would wind up in the oil annalisys and you would see the first couple of tests showing high numbers of dirt. Then prove that after you use your product,, the test level out and all is good in the injectors now.
Former Vendor
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Zwalters, It works fine with synthetics. But this is made for one specific problem. There are better additives for gear oil. I would use the 480m Ultraguard. It is just mre effective in that type of ap. I would even use the Ultraguard with Moly for a regular additve in engine oil. In other words if I were going to add something that is what I would add but ---if I had a stiction problem I would use the HSS. We went through dozen of blends and this was the only one that was consistantly effective.
Former Vendor
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Pullinair,
I know it is going to be a hard sell but I am hoping that the guarantee and the feedback from users will help sell it. We did all the testing but the engine manufacturer has it. I am going to call the engineer I work on the project with and see if I can get some copies.
Thanks,
Chris
I know it is going to be a hard sell but I am hoping that the guarantee and the feedback from users will help sell it. We did all the testing but the engine manufacturer has it. I am going to call the engineer I work on the project with and see if I can get some copies.
Thanks,
Chris