If you are such a big Chevy fan, what are you doing on a Ford site?

 

I am loyal to Ford but not stupid loyal! If someone makes a better truck then I will take my money elsewhere. Ford has sold trucks for way to long based on loyalty no quality!! Anyone want a 6.0L NOT!

 

Your a retard.... go back to your chevy site.

 

Ouch! I bet you are one of those guys who overpaid for the 6.0L and are now stuck with a 6.0L. Hey I will give you $20 bucks for one! Oh ya on the tranny topic. Who makes a 6 speed, only uses 5 speeds, and markets it as a 5 speed? I know I know FORD-idiots! Assuming the torqueshift is really a 6 speed like this thread suggests!

Ford Stealers are the retards. They try to sell used 6.0L's with only part of the engine warranty left for only a few thousand less then what you could get a 6.4L with a full Powertrain warranty. Nuts I say completely NUTS! I would still take a 6.4L and deal with all the emissions junk then buy a used 6.0L!

 

I have a 6.0 and it only has 6000 miles on it but I have had no problems. I did try a 07 durramax before I bought. I was not impressed. The selling points the chevy salesman stressed to try and convince me were. Less oil so changes would be cheaper, better mileage, independant frontend.

In my opinion more oil is always better,
I dont pay for my fuel so I dont care,
I had a 01 with the same frontend and in 100000 miles I spent 1600.00 on front wheel bearing assemblies.

The only thing I miss about the chevy is the compas and thermometer on the rear view mirror.

And as far as loyalty goes I have had 7 fords,2 chevy's and Im not proud but 1 dodge. of them all I miss my 1960 F100 the most.

 

I normally don't participate in this nonsense, but I have some time to kill....

There you go... He said "IF" somebody makes a better truck. So until Toyota puts out a 1 ton diesel, Ford is safe. Even when they do, it would be questionable if it would actually be better.

That's right nobody want's a 6.0. You go out on the road and count the percentage of 6.0's running around. Where I am the Super Dutys are at least 75% 6.0's compared to gassers. The second most popular truck is the Dodge and the Chevy / GMC is almost non-existant. I have a 6.0 and would drop another 40K on another one in a heartbeat, no pun intended.

Yeah another 2 words that don't go together is GM and quality. I used to be loyal GM but that was pre 1994.

If you are GM trolling here, you will not be the first to be chewed up and spit out by the loyal people of this Ford truck site.

 

To get us back on topic....

As I understand it (may not be gospel), the way the TorqShift gets it's gearing numbers is that it behaves like a 3-speed with an external overdrive; that is, it applies OD in the "odd" numbered gears to get the even numbered gears. In a way, it's similar to having a splitter on each of the "odd" gears.

1st - 3.09
2nd - 1st(OD) - 2.20
3rd - 1.54
4th - 3rd(OD) - 1.09
5th - 1.00
6th - 5th(OD) - 0.71

If you look at the math, the "even" gears are the odd gears multiplied by the OD gear (6th).

I think the logic involved in NOT having a double-overdrive is that the PSD makes it's power significantly higher in the RPM range than the D-max does; having a deep(er) overdrive would give no *substantial* real-world benefit.

-blaine

 

You are correct in all above, it is 'really' a 3 speed with an OD on each gear. The only real advantage to any double OD is the lower RPM for highway driving, usually unloaded and thus a lower MPG as well. Most double OD's are of little benefit with a good load on.

 

I usually like to get in on these discussions... When you're either over on one of the Chevy sites or over here on FTE, you just don't get a lot of folks that have crossed back and forth and can compare the two.

I had an '05 Dmax 3500 4x4 SRW. I'll get to the trans later, but as far as the truck being equal to the '07 psd I now have, it wasn't even close, and in a lot of ways:

The Chevy 3500s only came with steel 16" wheels -- no other choice, no factory running boards or nerf bars, no adjustable pedals, crappy towing mirrors, over-rated hitch, crappy IFS (all the serious Chevy 4x4 guys go to SFA), significantly less payload capacity, no option for a factory rear sway bar, no factory brake controller, crappy ride compared to the Ford. Oh but it did come with the significantly under-designed cooling system -- that was one option all the LLY's came standard with! . My two trucks were similar in configuration -- both extended cab long beds and were within a couple of hundred bucks in MSRP -- you just got a heck of a lot less in both options and capability in the Chevy. Forgot to mention the frame strength: not an objective measure, but the camper got a lot closer to the cab when going down a mildly rough road on the Chevy vs. the Ford -- same camper, same Tork Lift tie downs...

As far as the mighty Allison in combination with the Dmax: they didn't "talk" to each other or work anywhere near as well together as the PSD/TS does. I used both trucks in similar situations. The Ford goes in and out of T/H predictably and seamlessly, the Dmax holds itself in T/H for an undetermined amount of time stuck in a lower gear, when you're ready for it to upshift, it doesn't even giving it throttle -- that's what they do and no one knows why and there's no fix. The Ally also did some surprise upshifts in T/H -- these were infrequent but very unsettling, as it was always down hill when you were depending on it for engine braking -- no fun with a camper and 3 horses that get slammed around when you have to hit the brakes. The Chevy, even though it has more torque at a lower RPM, will not hold a gear (lug) as low as the Ford will -- so it doesn't do me any good if the Chevy always does a downshift at 1400-1500 rpm when the Ford will hold to 1200 all the time under light load.

I think the newer 6 speed Ally with the manual shift sounds cool, but if they haven't fixed the way the thing works with the Dmax, the Ford is still far superior in real world use. When you look at the whole package and consider the far superior strength of the Ford over Chevy or Dodge, well, for me there is only one tough truck out there right now...

My $.02 worth...

 

Does anyone know if this is how the ally works?

I agree the PSD makes its peak torque at higher rpm. However, just cruising with no load on the highway @ 75mph you dont need all your torque. So, you could cruise in double overdrive and tow in overdrive! Now if the PSD is the most efficient at the peak torque then yes driving at lower rpm would have know benefit.