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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Col Flashman
Actually, if you're using the standard Eye-bolts that I keep seeing being used, that look the Same as the ones that Came w/ the Original seatbelt kits for the F & M-series trucks.
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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 05:58 PM
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You wouldn't happen to have or know where someone could acquire these do you?
W/o paying an Arm & a Leg for them.
 
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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Col Flashman
You wouldn't happen to have or know where someone could acquire these do you?
W/o paying an Arm & a Leg for them.
If you mean eye-bolts, Wesco has them for $5 each with the nut and washer:

link to Wesco bolt kits

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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Col Flashman
You wouldn't happen to have or know where someone could acquire these do you?
W/o paying an Arm & a Leg for them.
Guess what, in the same drawer the washer kit was in..there were two seatbelts...the original S-P type with those goodies intact. I know a guy in Indiana that prolly has more. I have his catalog....it's somewhere in this maze, don't ask me where....


The belts are identical to the Ford buckle and billet type...aka metal to webbing.
 

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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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ND,

Are the Wesco eye-bolts very similar to the OEM bolts?

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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 09:37 PM
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Over the course if this discussion, I realized that the reason that I haven't upgraded from my lap-only belt to a shoulder harness system is that I had not come across a belt I liked. I didn't want to go with a 3-point belt for the reasons already stated.

I found this "off road" four point belt at Wesco Performance:

Wesco off-road belts

I have a pair of the model 50521-cse belts on order and will report on them when they arrive. The kit comes with snap ends, eye-bolts and 3" backup washers. They are also available with bolt-mount ends for less money. For an extra $8 you can even get a set in hot pink, just for the little lady. I like the fact that they mount to the floor. Based on AX's post about mounting, above, in lieu of the washers I'll probably put a single 1/8" steel bar, maybe 3” wide, under the mounting area.

I'm also curious what you guys that restore vehicles for show think of this solution. When you go to show the truck, the belts can be un-clipped and removed very quickly, leaving just three eye bolts as the only non-stock addition to the truck. How does the judging work for stock vehicles? Would the eye-bolts "cost" very much in terms of points or however the rating system works?

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I'm very interested in your comments on this type of belt. I see what you say about how a racing belt could limit your movement. I can just reach reverse on the 4-speed transmission without moving my shoulders from the seat, but I have gorilla-length arms; a lot of folks would not be able to reach. I’ll have to have a little slack in the shoulder belts to be able to check my blind spot (I have the small rear window in my pickup). We’ll see when the belts arrive next week.

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Those are virtually identical to the ones made by Shroth which is the only shoulder harness DOT approved for street use AFAIK. The reasons they meet DOt regs is that the lap belt has a push button MtoM buckle and the shoulder straps do not connect directly to the buckle. I have not seen any data as to their effectiveness in a crash. The shoulder strap arrangement does allow movement for driving and is less likely to cause additional injury like a true racing harness when used in conjunction with a standard seat, and does not require a crotch strap. They will however allow more body movement in a crash than even a 3pt belt. Mounting the shoulder straps to the floor will make them even less effective for upper body restraint. They are not approved for racing as no sanctioning body allows Y configuration for shoulder strap mounting. the straps are too narrow, and all require a metal connector directly to the buckle as well as a crotch strap. For off road use, the main safety function is to keep you from falling out of the vehicle, since most off roading is done at a slow speed, crashes are not particularly violent or life threatening unless you are ejected from the vehicle.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2007 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by cal401
ND,Are the Wesco eye-bolts very similar to the OEM bolts?
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......Yes......
 
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Old Apr 8, 2007 | 07:06 PM
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jeeeezzzuuusss, you guys gave me lots o' info!!! already decided to use retro lookin lap belts only, don't know hoe I'll do in a wreck, but I'll avoid one at almost all costs. I'd rather not weld anything into the cab of my 56' as it is the only stock part of my truck and in my opinion as we have already, as those before us, gone so far into the dark side, you have to draw a line somewhere, and that line was welding chips to seal the holes for the emblems. Further than that I will not go. Don't intend to drive it on the freeway with the morons on the road up here, and also intend to avoid rush hour,,etc. my baby boy is for fun only and not a daily driver...lots of vehicle breakins where I work.Ordered my seatbelts from yogi's in calamus iowa, they had 12 colors in the style I wanted. My interior is not in yet but will be black dash, rest o' interior meatal outside color charcoal grey metallic and I scored some charcoal grey leather buckets from a wrecking yard, and yogi's had charcoal grey seatbelts in the retro, if they dont match i'll get the black as my second choice. Nice to know that the lap belt will be good 2 go...thanks cats&kittens...it was an education as always.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2007 | 07:10 PM
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yogi's ph# is 1-800-373-1937, haven't received them yet, so I dont have a comment on looks or quality.
 
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AX, I'm sure you've mentioned this somewhere in this thread, but a reminder to everyone about the fact that any shoulder restraint(with the exception of the "off road" harness mentioned for reasons stated) should be fastened at a point level with or above the shoulder level.
 
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AX, I'm sure you've mentioned this somewhere in this thread, but a reminder to everyone about the fact that any shoulder restraint(with the exception of the "off road" harness mentioned for reasons stated) should be fastened at a point level with or above the shoulder level.
Yes, the link I posted shows the proper installation geometry and explains why you mount them that way. If you mount the shoulder strap more than 5* below a horizontal line at the top of the shoulders the harness can cause spinal compression injuries or at least break your collarbones, Too high and they will not keep you in place in a rollover. Another mistake with shoulder harnesses is bringing them around a high back bucket that is wider than the driver's shoulders. In a crash they will tend to slide down the sides of the seat off the shoulders.
 
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