Fords supposedly been pushing the 6.4 past it's limits with their ECM program, causing all of the problems, that's what International has been claiming is the engines issues, trying to keep up with the Cumins and Duramax is tearing them up. As far as I'm concerned if International cant build an engine to keep up, Ford needs to go elsewhere for diesels, I do think that catalytic converters don't belong on them, could be the problem.

 

Since FORD bought VOLVO a few years ago, why don't they adapt a VOLVO diesel to E-Series. Bet VOLVO has a durable, compact, efficient, turbo diesel that would shoehorn in & inspire some confidence. I'd be interested in a high fuel economy Econoline that would beat out the Sprinter. FORD's emphasis has been on heavy haulers that guzzle gas. IMO FORD should put the ECONOMY back in Econoline. Their V-10 really doesn't need any internal competition.

 

An E-350 with a Cat engine!! I would give my right arm for that combo.

 

Don't forget, Ford owns Cummins. Dodge was working on an MB desiel for their trucks before Daimler sold them.

A good friend of mine is a driveline engineer for Ford Trucks. While I can't post publicly what he told me above the newer diesels, so far, I haven't read anything in any of the forums that is accurate regarding the causes of the 6.0 and 6.4 issues.

Steve
'95 Clubwagon XLT

 

So, all the dodge guys bashing the PSD's don't know that they're basically powered by Ford.
I'd lone to tell one of them that when they start that crap, I'd say they have a contract to keep building them for them.

 

Yeah, Cummins has a contract to supply Dodge. A contract that neither Cummins nor Ford would want terminated. First, Cummins/Ford makes money on every Cummins Dodge sells. Second, who would replace that customer? Put a Cummins in a Ford? First Ford would have to do something about the contract with Navistar International.

Steve
'95 Clubwagon XLT

 

I'd say the lawsuits between Ford and Navistar could get them to an opt out resolution.

 

Well yeah, but who takes the hit. Navistar has a BIG plant and lots of employees and stockholders counting on the Ford contract. There will always be an opt out clause in such contracts, but there is also a penalty for opting out. Ford doesn't want to pay the penalty, Navistar doesn't want to loose the business without the penalty being paid to offset their losses.

So the finger pointing begins. Ford says its Navistar's problem so Ford won't have to pay the penalty. Navistar says its Ford's problem and if they want out they have to pay the penalty. So now the lawyers start in on it.

Ford wants to keep Navistar as a supplier because it takes up to 4 years to change suppliers. What would they do in the interim if they cut Navistar off tomorrow? Even if they decided to use Cummins it would take at least that long to re-engineer the truck to accept the engine and the engine to work in the truck.

Where the issue arose and who is to blame is a point of contention. Typically, in such cases, the manufacturer (Ford) says that Navistar's engine (either the engineering specifications or the manufacturing specifications) is the source of the problem. Navistar says that even if that is the problem, Ford signed off on the specifications so its not Navistar's problem. Who takes the blame and therefore the financial hit is what the lawsuit is to determine. And the stakes are going to be in the millions and millions. Not pretty.

Steve
'95 Clubwagon XLT

 

So far Ford has gotten the bad end with both the 6.0 and the 6.4, seems everytime they get another diesel the vehicles need retooled, so it's better to go with a better company than continue the road it's going. Many Ford owners have switched to Dodge because the better diesel and the problems with PSD's, they've even said if Ford went with cumins, they'd come back. Look at what they've done to the vans, this puts them in a bad spot with the commercial market.

 

I seriously hope you're kidding about Ford owning Cummins. If you're serious, slap yourself now for me. Ford owned like 30% of Cummins stock back in the 90's, but sold it all off. Ford doesn't own any part of Cummins now. Sorry to rain on the parade here fellas.