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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 10:16 AM
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Hi all. My batteries are dieing. I replaced one about 6 months ago and all was well and then truck wouldn’t start one day. So I replaced the older of the 2 batteries. Truck ran fine for 2 weeks and then wouldn’t start. After reading through the forum I replaced the battery I bought 6 months ago. Now 2 new batteries. Truck ran fine for 2 weeks and then dead again. If I put a charger on the either battery for a night, it will last for about 2 weeks. Any idea? I drive about 400 miles a week. If the alternator was bad, could it run on the batteries that long?
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 11:55 AM
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That seems like a lon g time to run on batteries. Make sure your belt isn't slipping and test your alternator. If you don't have any way of testing its output just go to Advance Auto or the like, and they will do it for free.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 12:42 PM
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Its best to replace both batteries when they go bad because it takes two good ones to keep our monsters on the road
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 12:53 PM
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I bet it is the alternator. Just go to a parts store to see if they can check your alternator. Many places can check it still on the truck. It takes about 1min to check if it is charging properly.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 02:05 PM
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Use a volt meter on the batteries while at a idle.. They should read about 14.1 to 14.5 volts.. if charging properly...
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 03:00 PM
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I pulled the cables off the batteries while running and it died. I am guessing that the alternator is done. Strange as the lights never indicated any troubles. I will do the voltage check and for kicks but it doesnt look good.

Thanks for the tips
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by duke_snyder
I pulled the cables off the batteries while running and it died. I am guessing that the alternator is done. Strange as the lights never indicated any troubles.
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Pulling the cables off while running and loosing the engine is pretty normal.. You can do that with the old generators back in the 50's but the alternators are a different breed.. Don't know the technical reason for that but i am sure someone will tell you why the engine dies when removing battery cables..
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 04:41 PM
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Im an electrician also have a PSD, i would say the brushes are shot in the alt. or the belt is slipping. Sometimes if you catch it early you can replace the brushes before the alt. goes completely bad but the above advice is your best bet the auto places have mobile testers to see how many amps and volts your alternator is pushing.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by duke_snyder
I pulled the cables off the batteries while running and it died. I am guessing that the alternator is done. Strange as the lights never indicated any troubles. I will do the voltage check and for kicks but it doesnt look good.

Thanks for the tips
I've heard that was bad because the alternator can put out a big voltage spike and do bad things to computers, sensors, etc. Not sure why it won't run on the alternator, I've done it with gassers in the past and they ran fine. It was after that when a Master Tech buddy of mine at a dealer told me that it's generally not a good idea to do that anymore (because of the sensitive electronics).

Has anyone else tried running their trucks on just the alternator? I wouldn't recommend trying it, but if someone has, it would be good info for this problem (and just good to know).

Joe
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 08:30 AM
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I replaced the alternator and that did it. I would have to say that it must have had just enough life in it to barely run the truck and then it finally died. Thanks for the help.
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Izzy351
Has anyone else tried running their trucks on just the alternator? I wouldn't recommend trying it, but if someone has, it would be good info for this problem (and just good to know).

Joe
That should be impossible. The alternator requires voltage from the battery to create the magnetic field that it uses to produce its output. However, maybe once it has started, it produces enough to maintain its own field? Never tried it. It might work with today's linear electronic regulators, but with the old-style relay-type switching regulator, I would think that once you cut off the field, it's gone forever.

I wouldn't run without a battery for other reasons. The battery is like a giant filter capacitor, smoothing out all of that ripple from the alternator.
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 06:51 PM
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It is my understanding of an alternator as working on the principles of a generator of sorts in which converts mechanical energy into electrical energy. Once the engine is running the magnetic field is generated by the spinning of a rotor(magnet) inside a stator(coil of copper). Then producing current from the coil. Some types of motors/generators need an "exciter" current to start and sometimes stay running but im not sure about a truck alternator. Im a journeyman electrician but not an electrical engineer
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Benny2002
Once the engine is running the magnetic field is generated by the spinning of a rotor(magnet) inside a stator(coil of copper).
The rotor (magnet), is usually referred to as the field coil, I think, and produces a magnetic field using current from the battery, initially. There are no permanent magnets in there, to my knowledge. So you'd have to have a little juice from the battery to get things going, but as to whether or not you can disconnect the battery and have the alternator keep putting out, I'm not sure, but I think not.
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 07:33 PM
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Getting technical, the alternator produces AC current which then is RECTIFIED into DC which charges the battery, which powers the car and accessories. Removing the battery im assuming breaks the SERIES ciruit and doesnt allow a path back to itself or ground if you will. Then shutting down the car.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2007 | 10:45 AM
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then why is it on all my other vehicles, when I removed the battery the car still ran? This was how I checked to see if the alternator was bad. Does this only apply to the powerstroke?
 
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