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I own a 2004 FX4... so... More Power, More Torque.... I wouldn't mind a diesel but won't pay 7000$ for it.... not worth it for the mileage I put on my truck... yes I do tow, about 8000km a year... still not worth the 7000$ premium for the diesel. I tow a 5100# (dry) fifth wheel and soon with about 1300# behind it (a boat/trailer/motor combo)
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I don't like the idea of a 6.1L motor with 425hp and 425ft*lbs. It would rock and roll unloaded, but it just seems like the power band would be too high unless you had at least 4.11's in it. I'd expect a torque peak over 3000 rpm unless it had an obscenely long stroke.
I like the idea of a 425ft*lb, 350hp 400ish cube motor. It wouldn't be as fast, but you'd have your torque all in by 2500 and your horsepower by 5k. It would be a towing SOB.
Or how about just make the trucks lighter so all they need is 300hp and 350lbs to destroy the 400ho/400lb trucks.
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I like the idea of a 425ft*lb, 350hp 400ish cube motor. It wouldn't be as fast, but you'd have your torque all in by 2500 and your horsepower by 5k. It would be a towing SOB.
Or how about just make the trucks lighter so all they need is 300hp and 350lbs to destroy the 400ho/400lb trucks.
Justin
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Originally Posted by hoxiii
I don't like the idea of a 6.1L motor with 425hp and 425ft*lbs. It would rock and roll unloaded, but it just seems like the power band would be too high unless you had at least 4.11's in it. I'd expect a torque peak over 3000 rpm unless it had an obscenely long stroke.
I like the idea of a 425ft*lb, 350hp 400ish cube motor. It wouldn't be as fast, but you'd have your torque all in by 2500 and your horsepower by 5k. It would be a towing SOB.
Or how about just make the trucks lighter so all they need is 300hp and 350lbs to destroy the 400ho/400lb trucks.
Justin
I like the idea of a 425ft*lb, 350hp 400ish cube motor. It wouldn't be as fast, but you'd have your torque all in by 2500 and your horsepower by 5k. It would be a towing SOB.
Or how about just make the trucks lighter so all they need is 300hp and 350lbs to destroy the 400ho/400lb trucks.
Justin
me personally my 07 5.4 tows just fine for me....no edge, no cai, no exhaust and i'm perfectly content just the way it is....not saying more powere wouldn't be nice but it's not really necessary....it would be cool to see the 5.4 go to 360 hp and 410 ft lbs but no more than that....update the 4.6 a little and give the diesel for the guys that want that.....and that s hould be just fine.....
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[QUOTE=gui88ford]no lighter....we have a strong truck now and all the weight is where it's needed to make it stronger and not just fat.....just give us some more punch and it's all good...
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Nah, these trucks could easily be 1,000 lbs lighter and be just as strong as they are now. Get rid of a frill here and there and the pounds would drop like mad. I bet if Ford went back to the standard depth bed instead of the deep one they started using in '04 they could shed 100-150 lbs right like that.
Then redesign the body to match the shallower bed and there goes a couple hundred more pounds.
Sacrifice a little insulation here and there, it all adds up.
It's really easy to shed alot of weight while still maintaining capability if you go back to basics, or at least offer the consumer teh ability to get just the basics.
Justin
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Nah, these trucks could easily be 1,000 lbs lighter and be just as strong as they are now. Get rid of a frill here and there and the pounds would drop like mad. I bet if Ford went back to the standard depth bed instead of the deep one they started using in '04 they could shed 100-150 lbs right like that.
Then redesign the body to match the shallower bed and there goes a couple hundred more pounds.
Sacrifice a little insulation here and there, it all adds up.
It's really easy to shed alot of weight while still maintaining capability if you go back to basics, or at least offer the consumer teh ability to get just the basics.
Justin
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[QUOTE=hoxiii][QUOTE=gui88ford]no lighter....we have a strong truck now and all the weight is where it's needed to make it stronger and not just fat.....just give us some more punch and it's all good...
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Nah, these trucks could easily be 1,000 lbs lighter and be just as strong as they are now. Get rid of a frill here and there and the pounds would drop like mad. I bet if Ford went back to the standard depth bed instead of the deep one they started using in '04 they could shed 100-150 lbs right like that.
Then redesign the body to match the shallower bed and there goes a couple hundred more pounds.
Sacrifice a little insulation here and there, it all adds up.
It's really easy to shed alot of weight while still maintaining capability if you go back to basics, or at least offer the consumer teh ability to get just the basics.
Justin
the point is your talking about shedding things that are practical just to save a little weight....thats kinda supid....let it the way it is....the bed is nice....deep....holds a lot....it's quiet inside.....
so, you want a smaller bed and a truck thats louder inside just to get rid of a few pounds....sounds counterproductive to me....
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Nah, these trucks could easily be 1,000 lbs lighter and be just as strong as they are now. Get rid of a frill here and there and the pounds would drop like mad. I bet if Ford went back to the standard depth bed instead of the deep one they started using in '04 they could shed 100-150 lbs right like that.
Then redesign the body to match the shallower bed and there goes a couple hundred more pounds.
Sacrifice a little insulation here and there, it all adds up.
It's really easy to shed alot of weight while still maintaining capability if you go back to basics, or at least offer the consumer teh ability to get just the basics.
Justin
so, you want a smaller bed and a truck thats louder inside just to get rid of a few pounds....sounds counterproductive to me....
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not smaller, shallower. i'm not particularily tall and reaching down into the bed of a newer F-150 can be a bit of a strain. If the bed was the old depth i'd have no issues at all.
Besides, it's easy to exceed the rated capacity of a half ton truck with a standard depth 8ft bed. I've had over 3,000 lbs of wood in the bed of my 85 and it was stacked to bed height, not an inch over.
If the body of the newer truck was reproportioned so it was shorter (new F-150 4x4's have less rocker clearance than my 85, but sit a full 6" taller) they could save several hundred pounds in sheet metal just like that.
Justin
Besides, it's easy to exceed the rated capacity of a half ton truck with a standard depth 8ft bed. I've had over 3,000 lbs of wood in the bed of my 85 and it was stacked to bed height, not an inch over.
If the body of the newer truck was reproportioned so it was shorter (new F-150 4x4's have less rocker clearance than my 85, but sit a full 6" taller) they could save several hundred pounds in sheet metal just like that.
Justin
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With Fuel prices on the rise, Ford will Probably continue to improve on the 5.4 and 4.6 engines...The potential for the 5.4 is somewhere around 330 to 350 horsepower. For the 4.6...300 houses is already being pumped out in the Mustang. For a F-150, thats a copius amount. Despite all of the rumors, the 6.2 is dead for the time being. Sorry.
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I think you are over-estimating the weight of sheetmetal and the potential weight savings from some minor dimentional changes. What causes our trucks to weigh so much has more to due with the fully boxed frame with cross members welded through both sides of the rails, 3" wide leaf springs, outside mounted shocks and the heavy brackets they mount to, and the use of materials like quietsteel in the dash, etc. Overall, my '07 Screw outweighs my '00 SC (7700) by about 400 lbs. I doubt very much of that is bed sheetmetal, probably no more than 50 lbs.
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Originally Posted by snowdog79
I think you are over-estimating the weight of sheetmetal and the potential weight savings from some minor dimentional changes. What causes our trucks to weigh so much has more to due with the fully boxed frame with cross members welded through both sides of the rails, 3" wide leaf springs, outside mounted shocks and the heavy brackets they mount to, and the use of materials like quietsteel in the dash, etc. Overall, my '07 Screw outweighs my '00 SC (7700) by about 400 lbs. I doubt very much of that is bed sheetmetal, probably no more than 50 lbs.
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and the thing it the sheetmetal on the beds are so light that they jiggle. I love my 07 and it feels and rides alot better than my 97 did. It even rides better than my 02 Explorer. So a truck that is quite car like ride, but can still kick *** while towing and hauling? dude ford won me over, and always has. Leave the F150 the way it is, just squeez more power out of the 5.4
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i would still like to see that 6.2L in a new lightning or a new harley, so it can beat the srt-10, they do need more power out of the 5.4, because for some reason my 03 screw is faster than my dads 07 screw, then again my engine is broken in and his is only about 5,000mi and he does have the 6.5ft bed or the longest one for the screw, i test drove the new tundra with my friend and boy is that thing fast and the brakes are really good but i have more room for my legs in my 03 and definatley more in my dad's 07, i felt like i was in a toyota which i was and i do not like that feeling, oh and it is ugly, i only like it in the black version with very tinted windows so it is harder to see the ugliness, the F-150 is still a better truck
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Originally Posted by nimrod1
With Fuel prices on the rise, Ford will Probably continue to improve on the 5.4 and 4.6 engines...The potential for the 5.4 is somewhere around 330 to 350 horsepower. For the 4.6...300 houses is already being pumped out in the Mustang. For a F-150, thats a copius amount. Despite all of the rumors, the 6.2 is dead for the time being. Sorry.
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is this a confirmed? i really hope so and if you know how many of them are being casted? are they just prototypes or production ones? do you work at the plant? it is almost 50/50 on all the rumors and some concrete evidence on either one would resolve a lot of this