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Ford in Europe

Just thought I would pass this along from Warranty Direct and the United Kingdom warranty data. Remember this is for extended warranty claims (usually after the 3 year manufacturer warranty runs out)

No.1 Skoda
No.2 Mazda
No.3 Honda
No.4 Mitsubishi
No.5 Ford
No.6 Lexus
No.7 BMW
This is the top 7 in fewest claims on extended warranty repairs.
Mazda got No.1 overall in countries Warranty Direct conducts business.
Which also includes the US.
 
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What OMG.. no Toyota in the list .. I am like so shocked
 
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Ummmmm..............Lexus is Toyota. Hope I wasn't too harsh????
 
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Skoda is nothing more (or less) than Volkswagen.
 
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Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder
Ummmmm..............Lexus is Toyota. Hope I wasn't too harsh????
Its merely a division of it... like Mazda is a division of Ford...

In all honesty most European Fords are darn good cars. They may be small buzz boxes, but the engineering that goes into them (and the way they drive) is very impressive.
The new Mondeo is going to be a HUGE hit.
 
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Originally Posted by BigF350
Its merely a division of it... like Mazda is a division of Ford...

In all honesty most European Fords are darn good cars. They may be small buzz boxes, but the engineering that goes into them (and the way they drive) is very impressive.
The new Mondeo is going to be a HUGE hit.


Yes, but there is a lot of badge engineering going on.

All the SUV's share mechanicals.

The FWD Lexus is a gussied up Camry.

Only the TOP RWD sedans, and the SC coupe/roadster(?) have their own chassis.......



Oh............and quit trying to correct me, I'm gonna cry.
 

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Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder
Yes, but there is a lot of badge engineering going on.
You looked at the UK Toyota/Lexus range lately?
http://www.lexus.co.uk/
http://www.toyota.co.uk

Not one vehicle shares the same platform.
The only Lexus there that even shares a platform with a Toyota globally is the RX/Highlander (but the Highlander isnt available there anyway)
Oh............and quit trying to correct me, I'm gonna cry.
I wouldn't have to if you weren't always wrong
 
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Now you're kinda splittin' hairs.

I did say the RWD sedans were on their own platform, and that the SUV's were badge engineered. Thank you for pointing out there is only one SUV sold there.


HOWEVER, even the RWD IS shares the 3.5LV6 with other FWD Toys.


Let's try it another way, the Lexi on that list have a lot more in common with Toyota than the Fords on that list have in common with anything sold in the States.



[BTW, Mazda is most certainly NOT a division of Ford]
 
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HOWEVER, even the RWD IS shares the 3.5LV6 with other FWD Toys.

But the thing is - thats not available on any of the Toyota's there... and for that matter neither is it available on the Lexus' either.
Now what did I say about being wrong...

Let's try it another way, the Lexi on that list have a lot more in common with Toyota than the Fords on that list have in common with anything sold in the States

Yeah you are right... but this thread was about the warranty costs in the UK... you may see it as irrelevant, but well...

[BTW, Mazda is most certainly NOT a division of Ford]

I would argue that it most certainly is.
Ford has a controlling interest in it.
They share the current C307 platform (the Focus to the world outside the US uses the same platform as the Mazda 3)
They share the Mid size platform which was created by Mazda.
Mazda's direct Injection technology will make it to Fords soon.
Mazda is in charge of developing all small cars and small engines in the Ford empire.
They "badge engineer" both the Ranger/B-Series and the Escape/Tribute (the former engineered by Ford, the latter by Mazda). The Econovan/E-Series is another badge engineering special (but not available in the US)
Mazda transmissions have been used by Ford for many years.
The Fiesta/Mazda 2 shares the same platform.
The Mazda 5/S-MAX

I could go on, and on, but I think that is a division of Ford if you ask me... but what do I know?
 

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Originally Posted by BigF350
HOWEVER, even the RWD IS shares the 3.5LV6 with other FWD Toys.

But the thing is - thats not available on any of the Toyota's there... and for that matter neither is it available on the Lexus either.
Now what did I say about being right...
Negative Ghost rider........the RX shows the 3.5L Petrol V6.

I did ***/U/ME that the IS was a 350........my bad/


Originally Posted by BigF350
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Yeah you are right... but this thread was about the warranty costs in the UK... you may see it as irrelevant, but well...
Here's the jist.........SOMEONE was basically giggling like a school girl because Ford made this warranty list.....of course, WE both know that has little to no relevance to the Fords that are offered in the States.

That SOMEONE then made an "incoherent" statement about how there are no Toys on that list. The fact remains that Lexus is a division of Toyota and there are a LOT (maybe not as much as I thought, thank you) in common with those Lexus/Toys with the same cars here in the States.



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[BTW, Mazda is most certainly NOT a division of Ford]

I would argue that it most certainly is.
Ford has a controlling interest in it.
They share the current C307 platform (the Focus to the world outside the US uses the same platform as the Mazda 3)
They share the Mid size platform which was created by Mazda.
Mazda's direct Injection technology will make it to Fords soon.
Mazda is in charge of developing all small cars and small engines in the Ford empire.
They "badge engineer" both the Ranger/B-Series and the Escape/Tribute (the former engineered by Ford, the latter by Mazda). The Econovan/E-Series is another badge engineering special (but not available in the US)
Mazda transmissions have been used by Ford for many years.
The Fiesta/Mazda 2 shares the same platform.
The Mazda 5/S-MAX

I could go on, and on, but I think that is a division of Ford if you ask me... but what do I know?
Sorry, it's not...............Mazda has it's own headquartes; Mazda has it's own stock (which Ford is a majority share holder) Mazda has its own board....I can go on.

Mercury/Lincoln, the ill fated Merkur etc...are Divisions of Ford...Mazda is not.


Ford also used Mitsubishi transmissions in the Rangers....had a mini-van they shared with Nissan, share hybrid tech. with Toy..........are they all divisions of Ford???
 
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Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder
Negative Ghost rider........the RX shows the 3.5L Petrol V6.

I did ***/U/ME that the IS was a 350........my bad/
Seen how many they sell of those there?
Thats the smallest volume model they sell... and Lexus sell only 20,000 vehicles a year in all of Europe as a whole.
Much less in the UK.

The US market consumes almost that many RX's in a single month...


Sorry, it's not...............Mazda has it's own headquartes; Mazda has it's own stock (which Ford is a majority share holder) Mazda has its own board....I can go on.
It has to have its own board. It is a publicly listed company.
Seen who appoints that board?

And who it consists of...
http://www.mazda.com/publicity/relea...08/060809.html

While they don't use the word "division"... they might as well.
http://www.ford.com/en/company/about/brands/default.htm
Ford also used Mitsubishi transmissions in the Rangers....had a mini-van they shared with Nissan, share hybrid tech. with Toy..........are they all divisions of Ford???
What does that have to do with the price of fish I ask?

on edit:
share hybrid tech. with Toy..........
I thought I might just add to this.
Do you know how Ford got that technology? By giving Toyota the technology that one of thier divisions (wait for it ...Mazda) had developed on direct gasoline injection in exchange.
 

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Originally Posted by BigF350
Seen how many they sell of those there?
Thats the smallest volume model they sell... and Lexus sell only 20,000 vehicles a year in all of Europe as a whole.
Much less in the UK.

The US market consumes almost that many RX's in a single month...

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Your point????? They could sell ONE.........Don't mean to be pedantic, but you said the 3.5 wasn't available there.

Originally Posted by BigF350
It has to have its own board. It is a publicly listed company.
Seen who appoints that board?

And who it consists of...
http://www.mazda.com/publicity/relea...08/060809.html

While they don't use the word "division"... they might as well.
http://www.ford.com/en/company/about/brands/default.htm

.
We'll just agree to disagree.............Joint venture?? Controlling partner???



Originally Posted by BigF350

What does that have to do with the price of fish I ask?

.
Nothing with fish...........but by your logic, any company that buys parts, shares platforms, (Toy/GM??) is a "division" of that company...I disagree.




Originally Posted by BigF350
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share hybrid tech. with Toy..........
I thought I might just add to this.
Do you know how Ford got that technology? By giving Toyota the technology that one of thier divisions (wait for it ...Mazda) had developed on direct gasoline injection in exchange.

COOL!!!! I guess Toy is now a division of Ford !! [or maybe they could be under Mazda ]
 
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Your point????? They could sell ONE.........Don't mean to be pedantic, but you said the 3.5 wasn't available there.
Given its influence of a small scale model on the quality of your Toyota's
Nothing with fish...........but by your logic, any company that buys parts, shares platforms, (Toy/GM??) is a "division" of that company...I disagree.
Not at all.
Never said that.
Trying to put words in my mouth now?

I mentioned that as part of Mazda being a division of Ford it shares a lot of technology/parts/platforms.

(A heck of a lot more than Toyota and Lexus).
 
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Originally Posted by BigF350
Given its influence of a small scale model on the quality of your Toyota's
Not at all.
Never said that.
Trying to put words in my mouth now?

I mentioned that as part of Mazda being a division of Ford it shares a lot of technology/parts/platforms.

(A heck of a lot more than Toyota and Lexus).
LOL @ "your Toyota's"..........I guess I do have an old beater T-100..


NO WAY!!!! Toyota=Lexus and vice versa.

Mazda still has product that has little to do with Ford.........your beloved Rotary, the DI turbo motor etc...



Here's another way to look at it..........I can own a part of Ford, I can own a part of Mazda.

I CANNOT buy stock in Lincoln or Mercury..........LM is a division of Ford.
 
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