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Old Mar 9, 2007 | 11:19 PM
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Eureaka!!!

You are not going to belive what it was. The motor had been hooked up to a manual tranny and when they pulled the pilot bushing the race was left in....so the converter would not slide all the way in. We miked it and the hole was 59/1000 too small on the taper Motor is in, but at 8 pm we discovered that the water pump was the new metric style and rides about 1/2 an inch lower than what we require so the top pulley will not clear the crank pulley, but that I can deal with.I will have to post pics when she's in and running. Hemi I can only hope I didn't hoop the tranny pump trying to force it in....won't know till shes fired up. Have a good weekend all.
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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 05:22 AM
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hope it don't shake.......you will know if the flexplate is the wrong balance right away....

Good luck..........
 
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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
D1ZZ-6375-A was used in 1980 models with 302's and a C6.

But, the can of worms you have is unknown...you will need to find out exactly what engine you bought, it could even be a 255..The vibration damper has a number on it, so does the end of the crankshaft.
For a Ford parts guy, you're off here. There are no numbers on the end of any Ford pushrod V8 cranks. The casting numbers are located on one of the counterweights. There are also no numbers on most Ford Flexplates either. Dampers have them, clearly not hard to id one. Especially in distinguishing a 28 from a 50 oz. Just look at the size of the counterweight. Same is true for a flywheel or flexplate if you have both. The larger counterweight will be the 50 oz.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 09:07 AM
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6T6Shorty------hope you didn't break the front pump gear trying to force the engine onto the transmission. The pump gear is brittle and easily broken, never try forcing the engien and trans. together.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by baddad457
For a Ford parts guy, you're off here. There are no numbers on the end of any Ford pushrod V8 cranks. The casting numbers are located on one of the counterweights. There are also no numbers on most Ford Flexplates either. Dampers have them, clearly not hard to id one. Especially in distinguishing a 28 from a 50 oz. Just look at the size of the counterweight. Same is true for a flywheel or flexplate if you have both. The larger counterweight will be the 50 oz.
I NEVER said there were any numbers on flexplates...where did you read that I did?

On a 1980 302 crankshaft, the parts book clearly states.."Stamped 2MAD" (which I'm not, btw). Where was this number stamped? On the nose of the crankshaft!

I have personally seen dozens of numbers stamped on c/shafts. What Fords policy inre to c/shaft nose stampings from 1997, I do not know. Back in the old days, this was SOP.

1960's Sample C/shaft ID numbers (stamped on nose): 240 = ILA; INA / 302 = 2MA

I'd like to ask you a question...where did you read/learn that no c/shafts weren't marked on the end? I'd like the exact reference please, so I can look it up.
 

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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 10:01 AM
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Besides being a (now retired) parts manager, I am also a car collector.

Delaware Chapter. Thread: How many Fords have you owned. Post # 49

I only listed the Fords, not the 100's of other cars I've owned over the past 50 years.

I am very careful what I type here on FTE inre to part numbers and info.
 

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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 10:51 AM
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I've seen them on the counterweights
 
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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
I NEVER said there were any numbers on flexplates...where did you read that I did?

On a 1980 302 crankshaft, the parts book clearly states.."Stamped 2MAD" (which I'm not, btw). Where was this number stamped? On the nose of the crankshaft!

I have personally seen dozens of numbers stamped on c/shafts. What Fords policy inre to c/shaft nose stampings from 1997, I do not know. Back in the old days, this was SOP.

1960's Sample C/shaft ID numbers (stamped on nose): 240 = ILA; INA / 302 = 2MA

I'd like to ask you a question...where did you read/learn that no c/shafts weren't marked on the end? I'd like the exact reference please, so I can look it up.
You've been the one here rattling off flywheel and flexplate numbers and at least once, you told 6T6Shorty to get the numbers off the flexplate he bought and cross reference it. It does absolutely no good to rattle off parts numbers, these aren't on the parts themselves but on the original box they came in. And SHOW me the casting numbers you say are on the "nose" of a Ford crankshaft. I'd like to see that, cause there are no numbers there or on the rear of the crank. And where did I learn that? I learned it from actually looking at dozens of cranks taken from Ford motors. Not one yet has had numbers anywhere but on the counterweights. Go back and read what you posted. I don't care how long you claim you were a Ford parts guy, you've obviously given the wrong info here.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2007 | 04:25 AM
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You've been the one here rattling off flywheel and flexplate numbers and at least once, you told 6T6Shorty to get the numbers off the flexplate he bought and cross reference it. It does absolutely no good to rattle off parts numbers, these aren't on the parts themselves but on the original box they came in. And SHOW me the casting numbers you say are on the "nose" of a Ford crankshaft. I'd like to see that, cause there are no numbers there or on the rear of the crank. And where did I learn that? I learned it from actually looking at dozens of cranks taken from Ford motors. Not one yet has had numbers anywhere but on the counterweights. Go back and read what you posted. I don't care how long you claim you were a Ford parts guy, you've obviously given the wrong info here.
When I told him to take the number off the flywheel he bought, I assumed he had bought it new from a parts house. The parts house would have their part number for the flywheel on the sales invoice. Therefore, he could have the parts house cross their flywheel part number on the sales invoice over to a Ford number. I was unaware he bought a used flywheel, till he later said so.


I am well aware that very few flywheels/flexplates had part numbers on them. As far as numbers on noses of crankshafts, all I can say is the truck parts books show a few (I listed several), the car books show them, and the old HiPo books and Muscle Parts catalogues from the 60's have info on crank markings. In addition, Genuine Parts Distributors (GPD), Ford's rebuilder on the West Coast, stamped numbers on crank noses for decades.


And my info is based on years of experience. When one spends over 20 years working the shop back counter, they will learn a great deal more, than dealing with retail parts customers at the front counter. If I could show you the c/s stamped ID numbers, I would, but I'm using microfiche. I can give you the section and page numbers, but you will then need a book to read them.


The part numbers I "rattled off" were from the truck parts books, and were examples of various 302 flywheels used in the 1980-84 period (what the OP thought the engine came from) with what transmissions were available. The biggest problem here as at parts counters is lack of info. If OP had listed the data correctly as to where the engine came from, the fact he bought it and the flywheel used, I wouldn't have bothered. Junkyards will sell anything, and tell you wrong info about what you are buying, or nothing. Yards sometimes (it depends on the yard-SOP here in CA) pull the onboard computers from the 1980 and later vehicles, when they pull engines, and then give the engine buyer the computer. If the OP had the computer off the engine he bought, the calibration code would have led directly to the exact engine/transmission the car had, and other important data.
 

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Old Mar 11, 2007 | 08:44 AM
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What's printed on some page and what's actually on a part is two different things. I have NEVER seen any part or casting number anywhere but on the counterweight of a Ford crank. That includes the half dozen I currently have in my possesion. (2 390's, 1 400M, 1 351C, and 2 or 3 302/5.0 cranks) There simply is no place for a number stamping on a machined portion of a crankshaft.
 
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