Oh yeah, and I'd get the 2008. If you can afford all the extra "stuff", the 2008 is definitely a more luxurious ride... and if you tow long distances, any added comfort is definitely a bonus. The engine still has yet to be proven, but I'd bank on it. I had a 2007 for a month before it was stolen, and it still had the very very very well known oil leak that had to be fixed. After it was stolen I didn't waste any time pre-ordering the 2008 (back in late november). I couldn't be happier. We'll see how durable it is.

 

Humm, so what your saying is that if I take say a 302 core, pull it apart change the bore then clean up the heads, polish, port them, adding a roller cam and lifters convert it to fuel injection that I no longer have a small block Ford? I think you will agree that the basic core is still the same even if it is modified from the original. The basic 6.0 design has been carried over to the 6.4 just like it was with the new HO 4.6 that made wards top ten engines for 07. That 4.6 is the same engine that has been around since at least 1996 and was the first of the new modular engines, I believe. The 6.4 is just a 6.0 that has evolved into a clean air engine. Clean air always gets my vote having had asthma very bad as a child. You are right to be proud of the 6.4, I am, I think it is going to kick butt in the future and will set the standards for future generations. The dodge cummins is a very old design in dire need of a real upgrade. Cummins stays with it cause the bugs are gone and there betting on a sure thing. The powerstroke is a new design with the strongest bottom end of any engine on the market today. This design has real potential and I would love to be wealthy enough to buy one for use in a boat. Its sad that Ford had to use such crappy turbos in the beggining and poorly designed injectors.
Lets stop talkin and go fishin. I'll bet we could get this discussion solved much better out on the water with a couple of cold ones and a nice bass on the line....

 

I agree but after a glass of wine though as I am french and prefer the wine let me tell you what I think 1: I am a french men that lived in the USA for the last 21 years 2: I am in the car business 3:I love hightech and the new truck is everything the older truck should have been and more the fact that the older truck was not reliable it is because ford decided to make changes to an already great engine that is in the international truck line with 300k to 500k miles and still runing I own actually a tow truck in my business that has 312k miles and no problems so far we rebuilt the trunny at 230k mile but besides that we just do the regular maitenance. All of these people are talking about a 50k truck mine was 2008 f250 with a sticker price of 57k plus plus plus I swear that when the dust sateld I think i have spend close to 68k dollars if you are in the bracket of the population that can aford to spend that much then you must be smart enaugh to know the following 1 it is a FORD get a extended waranty 2:it is 2008 your depreciation is at least 4k better at the end of 5 years of ownership than a 2007 3:why should you care if it is reliable as long as it is warantied 4:it is the best looking truck out there right now 5: ford has better resale value than the others 6:Ford is in so much trouble financially that it can not aford to screw up its bread and butter 7:this truck is so quiet running like any european diesel car or truck yet you can still beat it up 8: to all these punks that buy a stock truck so they can make changes to it an then post here that it is not reliable you propably have very very little education to know otherwise.
bottom line buy the 2008 if you are smart about spending your money or buy the 2007 if that is all you can afford and in that case we should not be comparing the two as they completly two diferrent truck as you can not afford it to start with but then again I am a dealer and we make more money with you than with a smart buyer.
let me add we make more money with a guy looking for a stripped truck or car than with a guy buying a loaded one new or used thay are just smater people that is the reason they can afford the loaded trucks or cars.

 

PHXDiesel -- Well said. I couldn't agree more! bfloyd4445 is misinformed (wrong), but just cannot admit it.

If the block were the "same", then YES...I would call it the way you are bfloyd4445, but it is not. As PHXDiesel mentioned in his post. This is not like going from a 360FE to a 390FE or even a 410FE. The block is the same with those engines minus the bore. The 390FE has a longer stroke than the 360FE...but the heads are the same. Here your thinking would be correct. But not so with the NEW 6.4L PSD. Again…if it were a simple bore and stroke affair, then you would be in the right. Just isn’t so…

What this reminds me of is how the 6.0L PSD has gotten better over the years. With UPDATES (band-aids)…not fixes or correcting the issues. When an engine series like the 6.0L has to have re-flash over re-flash to fix injector issues…that is called a band-aid…not a fix. The same for the EGT issues. It has been said many times that a single EGT is not sufficient for the 6.0L. Wonder why I see so many posts asking, “how long can I leave my SD idling?” YES…that is a flaw…but FORD decides to try and fix it with another re-flash.

Hey...we both have different views...no big. I'm sure it isn't the first time...and not the last either.


biz

 

I think just because some parts were transitioned to the new block, doesn't mean it's the same old engine with a few snazzy bolt ons added. I for one hope that this 6.4 is a winner as well.. Not only because I own one, but because I want Ford to succeed. I also don't know of that many major changes to the overall 4.6 engine other than heads.. (16v, 32v, head studs, cams, etc)..

So here's food for thought while we're out fishin... Would you say the 5.4 is a 4.6 with a taller deck heigh, crank, and new cam? Or how about the v10? Would you say "That's just a 5.4 with two more cylinders attached"? Ambiguity in modularity!

I'm glad you could tell I wasn't purposely being an a-hole(although my wife would tell you that because I'm not purposely being an a-hole it means I'm just an a-hole by default)...

 

the french guy has it completely right...

i bought the 08.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...eye-candy.html

 

So here's food for thought while we're out fishin... Would you say the 5.4 is a 4.6 with a taller deck heigh, crank, and new cam? Or how about the v10? Would you say "That's just a 5.4 with two more cylinders attached"? Ambiguity in modularity!


Hey, all has been said to enlighten those less informed. Basically everyone is on the same page, the 6.4 and 6.0 are different, but, both of the same technology and share many parts in common. As another poster mentioned, there were no carry over parts from the highly toted 7.3 into the 6.0 but there are many parts being carried over from the 6.0 to the 6.4. Changing the bore slightly and adding pollution control devices dosen't constitute a new system only a revised updated system. One could say the 6.4 is a new power system for the SD but one cannot say it is a completely new engine because to many of the 6.0 parts have been incorporated into the 6.4. When the 6.0 was born it was a complete new engine with no carry over of parts from the 7.3. Hey, I trust Ford, for the most part they do an excellent job and if the 6.4 falls flat on its face Ford is dead as a car company. I hope that dosen't happen. I am sure the 6.4 is a suberb power system, and is quieter at idle but about the same noise wise on the freeway, and will experience no birthing pains. Keep in mind that according to Ford the use of even a small amount of sulfur D in the 6.4 will likely trash the engine.
As for the 4.6, same goes as for the 6.4, the basic engineering design and core components have remained the same as the engine has evoled into several award winning configurations over the years. My understanding is that the 5.4 is simply a large displacement 4.6, same basic design, like between the 6.0 and 6.4. The V10 has its own block so does not share any core componenets with the 5.4,4.6, so is a completely diferent engine.

 

\All of these people are talking about a 50k truck mine was 2008 f250 with a sticker price of 57k plus plus plus I swear that when the dust sateld I think i have spend close to 68k dollars if you are in the bracket of the population that can aford to spend that much then you must be smart enaugh to know the following 1 it is a FORD get a extended waranty 2:it is 2008 your depreciation is at least 4k better at the end of 5 years of ownership than a 2007 3:why should you care if it is reliable as long as it is warantied 4:it is the best looking truck out there right now 5: ford has better resale value than the others 6:Ford is in so much trouble financially that it can not aford to screw up its bread and butter 7:this truck is so quiet running like any european diesel car or truck yet you can still beat it up 8: to all these punks that buy a stock truck so they can make changes to it an then post here that it is not reliable you propably have very very little education to know otherwise.
bottom line buy the 2008 if you are smart about spending your money or buy the 2007 if that is all you can afford and in that case we should not be comparing the two as they completly two diferrent truck as you can not afford it to start with but then again I am a dealer and we make more money with you than with a smart buyer.
let me add we make more money with a guy looking for a stripped truck or car than with a guy buying a loaded one new or used thay are just smater people that is the reason they can afford the loaded trucks or cars.[/QUOTE]

As a dealer I can understand why you are plugging for the 08. However, from the point of a consumer you are overlooking certain facts. A vehicle that is drivin more than 15k per year is considered a high mileage vehicle. So, an 08 purchase now will have to be drive less than 7500 miles per year to keep under that line if one dosen't wish to have a,"high mileage vehicle", when traded. This minus offsets some of the plus part of buying an 08 a in the beginning of 07. Ford dosen't make bad trucks they are all good so there is nothing wrong with the 07's. The advantages of an 07 over an 08 lie in that it can burn sulfured D without damage, the 08 can't, it is much cheaper in price, and has the same running gear as the 08. So in a nut shell with the 08 you not only get an engine loaded up with emission controls but one that except for the engine and new interior, other frills, is an 07. Also at the beginning of 09 an 07 can have 30k on the odometer and still be a low mileage vehicle while the 08, which is also 18 months old at this time, can only have 15k miles. Yes the 08 will be worth more but not much more according to kelly blue book because of the mileage. The offset for the high milege in the 08 assuming both have 30k at this time negates much of the depreciation advantage of the 08. Not to mention the 5.9% interest you will pay on the 08 loan while the 07 can be had for 0% from Ford.

 

[QUOTE=drisschoufa] All of these people are talking about a 50k truck mine was 2008 f250 with a sticker price of 57k plus plus plus I swear that when the dust sateld I think i have spend close to 68k dollars if you are in the bracket of the population that can aford to spend that much then you must be smart enaugh to know the following 1

Yes I am, and also smart enough to understand that many in the forums are raising families with not alot of free cash to buy expensive toys. Your insinuation that anyone who cant afford to buy expensive toys, like so many of the FTE members whom are supporting families, are stupid, just demonstrates your own ignorance and lack of proper upbringing.
That said. I wish you luck with your new toy. The new 08 is well thought out except for the big superduty stamped everywhere, and incorporates several upgrades over the 07. But, both the 07 and 08 are Ford trucks, built to take a beating. I can write a check for a hundred thousand bucks that won't bounce but even so I opted to purchase the 07 model for reasons already stated.

 

Hi Biz, all. Justed wanted to say that even Diesel power magazine aggrees with me and stated in the last issue that the 6.4 is a redesigned 6.0 check it out. My position was based upon what my buddy, works in Ford's Dearborn, executive office leaked out to me and it seems Diesel Power magazine has taken the same position. 2008 Ford Super Duty Powerstroke - Diesel Power Magazine

 

As a dealer I can understand why you are plugging for the 08. However, from the point of a consumer you are overlooking certain facts. A vehicle that is drivin more than 15k per year is considered a high mileage vehicle. So, an 08 purchase now will have to be drive less than 7500 miles per year to keep under that line if one dosen't wish to have a,"high mileage vehicle", when traded. This minus offsets some of the plus part of buying an 08 a in the beginning of 07. Ford dosen't make bad trucks they are all good so there is nothing wrong with the 07's. The advantages of an 07 over an 08 lie in that it can burn sulfured D without damage, the 08 can't, it is much cheaper in price, and has the same running gear as the 08. So in a nut shell with the 08 you not only get an engine loaded up with emission controls but one that except for the engine and new interior, other frills, is an 07. Also at the beginning of 09 an 07 can have 30k on the odometer and still be a low mileage vehicle while the 08, which is also 18 months old at this time, can only have 15k miles. Yes the 08 will be worth more but not much more according to kelly blue book because of the mileage. The offset for the high milege in the 08 assuming both have 30k at this time negates much of the depreciation advantage of the 08. Not to mention the 5.9% interest you will pay on the 08 loan while the 07 can be had for 0% from Ford.[/QUOTE]
That is not true to trucks and especially to diesel a diesel truck values are diferrent from a gas truck and especially diferrent from a car value actually a diesel truck with 30k miles on it considered better than a new truck to a lot of companies because now they can go straight to work and not worry about breaking period and for your informations a lot of companies buy trucks and give them to there employes to drive as transportation until the truck get 10k to 15k miles on them then work them to 200k to 300k miles remember a well broken in diesel will last 200k to 300k miles compare to 100k miles that we see with others that have been abused since day one the other issue is people need to understand that if you modifie an engine do not come and blame Ford for it. In my books at least you treating the brand fearly yes Ford does not make very very reliable vehicules but like any American company it does make the best work trucks out there.
5.9% on 2008 is not true I dare you to walk to the dealership right now with a credit score of over 650 and ask to get 1.9% they will give it to you because they want your money and by the way that is what i am paying and beleive me i am no diferrent than you to Ford credit we are all just numbers to them. and by the that 0% promotion ended when the 5.9% started and it is for super duty truck only and it was not specific to 2008.

 

I could have afforded any truck I wanted. I paid cash for the truck and just paid $60K cash for a fith wheel. I went with the '07 because, to me at least, it was the best value for the money. In my mind the only advantage of the '08 is that it runs quieter. The disadvantage to me was ULDS fuel only, the particulate filter and two turbos to have problems with as opposed to one. I also got more options for $8K less than I would have spent on an '08. I drove both and to me the turbo spooled up about 1K quicker on the '07 than the '08.

 

[QUOTE=bfloyd4445]it is very funny how you stopped quoting me at the word (Following 1) and never finished all of the quotation .
I am not here to insult or offend anyone and if I did I am sorry very sorry but I am a highly educated guy that looks at numbers diferently even my closest friends say that about me and I beleive what i say is true if you want to grow and build wealth you should buy what you can afford and never invest too much money in something that depreciates like cars trucks toys ........ and if you do do it smart so it can have the least impact on your financials.

 

I've read somewhere that the only part the 6.0 and 6.4 have in common is the camshaft.

 

Why are you stressing your selfs about the fact that they are or not different trucks in my books and I have no education in this field but know the basics if an engine is 6.0 and now it is 6.4 it is diferrent but when you start adding all the stuff( injectors,valves,.................) that are different form the old engine to the new one then it is definetly a different engine period