C3AE-H heads ?
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C3AE-H heads ?
Hey folks, I'm looking for a quick response on something. I went to pick apart and there is a 75 Ford Explorer 4 x 4 with a 4bbl intake and full length headers on it. The heads have C3AE-H on them. I dont see this in my book without 6090 in the middle. These are only C3AE-H both match. I'm wondering what you think. it's half price weekend till tomorrow.. get back to me would ya..if they are the ones.. I'll go grab them.. could be coninced to let them go for not to much over cost.
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Awww crap! How dare Glenn have a life at times like this! LOL
I did a quick search over at fordfe.com. It's looking like the "H" is the 427 head. Shouldn't that have bigger valves? Shouldn't the block have bigger bores for those valves to even open? Some of those suffixes seem to be year specific, gotta check by year.
Yeah Bobby, I'd be going back with a set of calipers, and stretching the budget to bring home the complete assembly. Just might be next months rent right there. LOL
I did a quick search over at fordfe.com. It's looking like the "H" is the 427 head. Shouldn't that have bigger valves? Shouldn't the block have bigger bores for those valves to even open? Some of those suffixes seem to be year specific, gotta check by year.
Yeah Bobby, I'd be going back with a set of calipers, and stretching the budget to bring home the complete assembly. Just might be next months rent right there. LOL
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No Sir, not saying that...I just mentioned that besides 6090, Ford also used 6049 in their casting/engineering basic numbers.
427: first introduced in 1963 (C3AZ)
406: Introduced: 1962 (C2AZ)
1962 and 1963 T-Birds were offered with the 390 M engine option, This Higher Performance 390 featured 3 deuces (3X2).
FYI: The Ford Muscle Parts Catalog was first introduced in fall of 1968, and may not have (all the) information on the earlier FE engines.
427: first introduced in 1963 (C3AZ)
406: Introduced: 1962 (C2AZ)
1962 and 1963 T-Birds were offered with the 390 M engine option, This Higher Performance 390 featured 3 deuces (3X2).
FYI: The Ford Muscle Parts Catalog was first introduced in fall of 1968, and may not have (all the) information on the earlier FE engines.
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6049 may have been the part number, but 6090 was the engineering number for the head casting???? I've heard of 3 different numbering systems, hard to keep them seperate. Bobby, if you look in my gallery you'll see a pic of C6AE-R without the 6090. I would think it's pretty obvious the casting is for a head??? Thus no "6090".
Like I said, I'd be headed down with a caliper. Hard to screw up measuring something that different from the norm. You know it's gonna keep you awake tonight anyways...
LMAO!!!
Like I said, I'd be headed down with a caliper. Hard to screw up measuring something that different from the norm. You know it's gonna keep you awake tonight anyways...
LMAO!!!
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When you are looking at the printed word without pictures, the text might refer to 6090 as the head casting/engineering basic number. That's correct, but 6049 was also used for that purpose. So if someone is looking through the Ford casting/engineering catalogs (O.S.I.)** they will also need to look at 6049. Many casting numbers do not use basic numbers, just the prefix/suffix (C4ZB-A). However, when you go the the OSI books, you will need the basic numbers, otherwise you will be SOL.
Just trying to help, guys, not to be a PITA.
The basic Ford part number system used today was first developed for the Ford Model K of 1906.
**O.S.I. = Obsolete-Supercede-Interchange.
Just trying to help, guys, not to be a PITA.
The basic Ford part number system used today was first developed for the Ford Model K of 1906.
**O.S.I. = Obsolete-Supercede-Interchange.
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Well I can only find C3AE in the performance section of my book head lists C3AE 6090 H = late 63 427 low riser from 3-15-63 72.8-75.8 CC 2.082/2.097 Int 1.645/1.660 Exh Port size 2.34 x 1.34 Int 1.84 x 1.24 Exh... hell I dont wanna go out there for nothing and just finding out is a major FPITA. I cant afford a build anytime soon so maybe they just get away ? If there not worth jerking then screw it..
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I'd grab them...
RedBob, if it were in scrapyard near me, I'd grab them. LR heads, if that is what they are, will have bigger valves. if they are just 1963 heads but not lowrisers, they will still have the larger intake ports and the high exit exhaust. I'd grab the four barrel intake and those pipes as well. Heck, if they will sell it to you, buy the whole truck. The 4x4 oilpan and gear wuld be worth having, if you can get it for a decent price....I mean, if a guy like you or me doesn't buy pieces from it, it will probably get crushed and melted down to make new hondas. That would be a shame. It is worth a second look because whatever it is was put there by one of the trucks owners. Did he install a 427 block ? a 428 ? A 410 ? You won't know if you don't check......DF
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Yea those are 427 heads and if they are cheap grab them. You can easily re sell them for at least $500. Sorry I missed your email.....was at a Daytona party today. I'd also see what's below those heads for a shortblock like Dino said. You never know is right! See what the intake is and what kind of headers. See if by chance they are the cast iron Ford headers. Someone might have dropped a hot FE in that bad boy. You can get some nice parts or make some cash. Good luck and let us know what you get!!
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It just wernt in the cards... I had to take several deep breaths and just get to installing the bait tank. Summer is coming and I cant drive a Ford to Catalina LOL.... To bad tomoroow is not a paid holiday for me.. If anyone local wants to go see if there still there... Orange County Katella Ave pickapart far right corner primer camo Explorer 4x4 bring some allen wrenches... thats what sent me home empty handed..
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LOL hey Glenn... thanks for getting back to me LMAO.... Well had I got that answer around 10 am I might have been forced to go get greasy...Well see if I can manage to get outa work tomorrow.. I'll see what can be done...
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Too bad you can't get there at first open before someone else snags a cheap prize. Too far from S.F. area otherwise I would be there.
Me likes C4G heads, two going back on the truck as I type with one spare core that needs a mate for the next build. Damn I wish I had the ported C-4's Russ had!
Me likes C4G heads, two going back on the truck as I type with one spare core that needs a mate for the next build. Damn I wish I had the ported C-4's Russ had!
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Carl, I'm going to see if I can get out there around noon it they survive I'll snag them. Then offer them up as I dont see me having a use for them any time soon. I am suppose to be in Stockton next weekend if the Glasspar club manages to get our stuff together, were moving a 25 foot pice of history to Mojave for the start of a group restoration. If it all works out I'll contact you and see if we can arrange to get them to you.
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That would be app 40 miles east of me from Alameda.
Snag the heads, intake if it's large port and measure the
bore, might be a good find.
Did the block have cross bolt mains or screw in freeze plugs?
Snag the heads, intake if it's large port and measure the
bore, might be a good find.
Did the block have cross bolt mains or screw in freeze plugs?
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