`56 Horn Hook Wireing
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`56 Horn Hook Wireing
Hi all. I posted this on the electrical forum and didn`t get any response. Has anyone ever wired up a horn by running a wire alongside the turn signal wires while using a Grant steering wheel adapter on a 1956 F-100 stock steering column. It would take some additional bolt on internal parts. Wondering if anyone has given this any thought or attempted to do this. If so please pass on any info. Gusso
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I think that if you can come up with a way to make it work you will be hailed as a hero for years to come.
I know that the horn wiring has been an issue and the subject comes up every so often when talking about the toyota steering swap.
I think whats needed is some sort of slip ring. People have tossed around the idea of fabricating a slip ring near the bottom of the column. I would be neat to have something that adapted easily up at the top of the column as well. I'm using a later model steering column so its not an issue for me. I wish I had an older column laying about to tinker with.
What are your thoughts?
Bobby
I know that the horn wiring has been an issue and the subject comes up every so often when talking about the toyota steering swap.
I think whats needed is some sort of slip ring. People have tossed around the idea of fabricating a slip ring near the bottom of the column. I would be neat to have something that adapted easily up at the top of the column as well. I'm using a later model steering column so its not an issue for me. I wish I had an older column laying about to tinker with.
What are your thoughts?
Bobby
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Thanks Bobby. Sounds like it may be something worth pursuing on my own but not on forum. Sure seems like it could be done. Some kind of circuler plate and a fixed roller to make connection? Oh well I`ll give it some thought.
Thanks again Bobby, Gusso
Thanks again Bobby, Gusso
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Gusso,
I just had an idea, well, I had a few minutes ago, typed it all out, tried to post the reply and had it fail.....(only happens after a lot of typing..lol)
Here's my idea. late model cars that are airbag equipped have a hard wired air bag up at the top of the steering column, they do not use any kind of slip ring inside the column (I think the DOT didn't allow a slip style connection for safety reasons). The way they do this is they have a "clock spring" apparatus (their words...not mine). Basically its several coils of ribbon style wires that are left in a loose enough coil to allow the steering wheel to make the couple of turns it needs in either direction (this is why you are not supposed to let the steering wheel freely spin on an airbag equipped column...it will wrap the ribbon too tight and snap it)
This wiring apparatus sits on top of the slip contact for the horn in a GM steering column. Here is a pic of it;
It might be possible to adapt this apparatus to the lower part of the original Ford column.
Any thoughts? anyone?
Bobby
I just had an idea, well, I had a few minutes ago, typed it all out, tried to post the reply and had it fail.....(only happens after a lot of typing..lol)
Here's my idea. late model cars that are airbag equipped have a hard wired air bag up at the top of the steering column, they do not use any kind of slip ring inside the column (I think the DOT didn't allow a slip style connection for safety reasons). The way they do this is they have a "clock spring" apparatus (their words...not mine). Basically its several coils of ribbon style wires that are left in a loose enough coil to allow the steering wheel to make the couple of turns it needs in either direction (this is why you are not supposed to let the steering wheel freely spin on an airbag equipped column...it will wrap the ribbon too tight and snap it)
This wiring apparatus sits on top of the slip contact for the horn in a GM steering column. Here is a pic of it;
It might be possible to adapt this apparatus to the lower part of the original Ford column.
Any thoughts? anyone?
Bobby
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Very interisting Bobby Although it looks very complicated. Try this. Hot horn wire coming to turn signal switch area, connected to a insulated stationary roller, the roller touches a metal ring or metal plate. The metal plate moves with the steering wheel. The metal on the insulated plate is connected to the horn with a wire. When horn button is pushed, system grounds and horn BLASTS. [hopefully] . Seems it may work but making the roller and insulated metal plate may be hard to do.
Please think about it and if anyone thinks it may have some merit, by all means feel free to improve on it in any way - but let us know your thoughts. Gusso
Please think about it and if anyone thinks it may have some merit, by all means feel free to improve on it in any way - but let us know your thoughts. Gusso
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Gusso,
Thats basically how a horn slip ring works in a regular steering column. The trick would be adapting late model parts into your old column. Typically the turn signal switch has a spring loaded contact that a the slip rings rides on.
I sure wish I had an old Ford column laying about to "mess" with
Bobby
Thats basically how a horn slip ring works in a regular steering column. The trick would be adapting late model parts into your old column. Typically the turn signal switch has a spring loaded contact that a the slip rings rides on.
I sure wish I had an old Ford column laying about to "mess" with
Bobby
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Thanks Bobby I was hoping my word drawing made a little sense. when I got a little time I`m going to see if I can jerry-rig something like it up. Also to share with you my favorite saying: If it aint broke, fix it anyway! Gusso
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gusso,
I'm thinking the "clock spring" doo-dad might be just the ticket for the toyo swap trucks that retain the stock column. You could probably fit it to the column after you cut it down to size. The big problem would be to make it weather tight since it would have to be mounted at the bottom of the column right above the steering box and would basically be exposed out there in the engine compartment.
Bobby
I'm thinking the "clock spring" doo-dad might be just the ticket for the toyo swap trucks that retain the stock column. You could probably fit it to the column after you cut it down to size. The big problem would be to make it weather tight since it would have to be mounted at the bottom of the column right above the steering box and would basically be exposed out there in the engine compartment.
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Brian _B. Do you know the part number for this "home made" apparatus in the Mid-Fifty catalog? My Mid-Fifty catalog looks like a total printing error. I`d appreciate your help . May purchase or it may help in developing and putting something togeather regarding this horn problum. Thanks Gusso
Bobby, Your right . You would have to use something like the clockspring to maintain an electrical connection as the steering wheel turns. Keep thinkin. Its great. Gusso
Bobby, Your right . You would have to use something like the clockspring to maintain an electrical connection as the steering wheel turns. Keep thinkin. Its great. Gusso
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Brian _B. Do you know the part number for this "home made" apparatus in the Mid-Fifty catalog? My Mid-Fifty catalog looks like a total printing error. I`d appreciate your help . May purchase or it may help in developing and putting something togeather regarding this horn problum. Thanks Gusso
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