Problems Gassing Up
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Gary I hope it works...post the update after the repairs... re-read my post above... I checked all the areas the TSB related too and found none of the faults and still have the wierd fill up hassel about 60% of the time so I am interested in your outcome
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Mine has had this same off and on problem filling up and it has gotten worse this winter. I am convinced there is something in the neck of the filler pipe that restricts the flow of fuel, maybe a back flow valve that sticks not opening up and allow filling. I found if I use one certain pump, rotate the filler nozzel 90 degrees from verticle and modulate the flow to half rate it seems to take fuel, but still kicks off a lot. I'm considering taking a bar and shoving it down that tank neck and break loose whatever is in there restricting filling. The problem is it would drop down inside the tank, forever rolling around prolly won't hurt anything. It sure is an agravation, having to stand there in frezing temps, holding the filling nozzel at half rate and 90 deg all the while you watch that $2.119 E-10 flow into the tank.
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Took your advice racerguy and called my dealer ser mgr. and asked him if he ever heard of this TSB on fuel tank pressure build up problems. Why sure he said. It is especially necessary where owners drive on gravel roads or dirty conditions. Well howdy do! That is me. He was to order me a new canister today, as the TSB suggested, and we will try that fix. It should be in early next week. I'll keep you posted.
I wonder why we have to complain about a known problem before anyone tells us about the fix? Who owns a super duty that doesn't operate on gravel or dirt roads? If that fixes it, well, everyone should get it. I will keep let you know.
I wonder why we have to complain about a known problem before anyone tells us about the fix? Who owns a super duty that doesn't operate on gravel or dirt roads? If that fixes it, well, everyone should get it. I will keep let you know.
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Update -
As Dave first suggested, the problem was the EVAP canister, located above the spare tire, was plugged with dust. Ford had a Technical Service Bulletin about the problem. They replaced the canister and breather hose. I got a few gallons of gas on the way home and it seemed to fill normally.
Gary
As Dave first suggested, the problem was the EVAP canister, located above the spare tire, was plugged with dust. Ford had a Technical Service Bulletin about the problem. They replaced the canister and breather hose. I got a few gallons of gas on the way home and it seemed to fill normally.
Gary
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From: SW Iowa
Got my fuel vapour canister and ventilation tubing replaced yesterday under warranty. This is no small item. It is a pricy kit-$281 parts and 1.2 hr labor. All paid by Ford. They are venting the new fuel vapor canister through a piece of tubing into a sub frame channel support under the p/u box. Supposedly the air is cleaner under there.
I was also informed there was no warranty extension on this device past the standard 3 yr 36k miles. So, next time it plugs up, out comes the pocket knife. I was suprised at the major hardware and I assume technology internally with the canister. It really isn't a canister, but more like a small catalytic converter size unit. All this to make a simple fuel tank vent.
I have yet to fill up, but aparrantly this the fix as the dealer tech said he had changed many of them out with no come backs yet.
I was also informed there was no warranty extension on this device past the standard 3 yr 36k miles. So, next time it plugs up, out comes the pocket knife. I was suprised at the major hardware and I assume technology internally with the canister. It really isn't a canister, but more like a small catalytic converter size unit. All this to make a simple fuel tank vent.
I have yet to fill up, but aparrantly this the fix as the dealer tech said he had changed many of them out with no come backs yet.
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Is there a cheaper fix that will still work on this. my truck is out of warranty and if i can fix it myself that would be great. other words off to the dealer I go.
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Harpoon Mod
Here is a mod that the diesel guy's have been using, it should work on the gas trucks too.
Welcome to guzzle's In-tank Harpoon Mod Web Page
Welcome to guzzle's In-tank Harpoon Mod Web Page
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Here is a mod that the diesel guy's have been using, it should work on the gas trucks too.
Welcome to guzzle's In-tank Harpoon Mod Web Page
Welcome to guzzle's In-tank Harpoon Mod Web Page
The Harpoon mod is NOT a good idea on the gasser trucks - the evaporative emissions setup is not going to like raw gas in the canister and tubing...
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Gas Up
I have a 99 V-10 with the 29 gal tank. Since new it kicks the gas pump of when there is still room for 5 more gallons. If I nurse it in, it consistently takes about 5 more gallons before it is really full up to the top. A slower running pump will allow me to nurse it in with fewer stops. Asked dealer about it when new and they said it had to do with the prevention of spills in an accident but did not mention a service bulletin. Maybe it was not out yet.
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This is a known thing, the vent tube for the filler sticks down into the take quite a ways. The diesel guys "harpoon" the tank, removing the vent tube so they can fill it all the way up.
HOWEVER, the gassers shouldn't do it because the evaporative emissions control system can flood with gas - which is not a good thing.
It's basically a "25 gallon" tank.
HOWEVER, the gassers shouldn't do it because the evaporative emissions control system can flood with gas - which is not a good thing.
It's basically a "25 gallon" tank.
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My wife's car is an '03 Subaru Forester. It has the same filling problem. After some research I found that spiders lay eggs in the hose to the evaporative cannister relief valve. I took all the stuff apart and sure enough, it was full of white foamy stuff. After a quick cleaning, ,no problem. This also trips the ''check engine'' light. Once ot even made the car run real bad because I guess with no vent, not enough fuel could get out of the tank. I haven't had the problem with my truck yet.
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