I love the PSD, but to be honest the V10 is quiet, powerful, and can pull all most as good as the PSD but the V10 sucks gas like its beer on a hot summer day. I have an F250 at work, cheapy xl, 5.4L, that does a great job towing and gets fantastic gas mileage when not towing. Unless you plan on doing lots of towing you don't need either of the big boys. The 5.4 can tow just fine, but not as fast, and will make you a great economical run around truck that will last forever with proper service. The F 250 4x4 mentioned above we have thrashed but still runs like new at 160k. Only problem with it was when one of our guys drove it 150 miles at better than seventy in second gear! Needless to say he smoked the tranny.

My vote is for the 5.4L

 

There is the best choice!

Dont worry about the cold weather of northern canada. gas vs diesel when it gets as cold as it does up there they all need extra attention.

 

I love this place.

To each his own. As for me DIESEL all the way.

2005 F250 Harley Davidson CC 4x4 PowerStroke Diesel
Accelerate up any grade with the 20' Enclosed
Mid 14-Second Qtr. Mile (Pacific Performance Engineering)
16-18MPG

Oh there is a place for the Gassers in my life too.

2006 F150 Harley Davidson SC 4x2
5.4L 3-Valve
The Wife's Grocery Getter

No problem with the gassers, just please move to the slow lane when you see me coming.

 

Get the 6.0. The transmission and the coil front springs (05 and later) are worth the risk over any 7.3. I had an 06 5.4 as a company truck, talk about a gutless wonder. It never got better than 14 mpg empty. I get 14 with my 6.0 with alot of idle time and about 2000 #s of tools and equipment. If you are going to get groceries with it, by all means get a gasser. If your going to work it, diesel hands down.

On edit, take the 6.0 and put a 4.10 or a 4.30 gear in it, and compair it to a gasser, it will out pull the v10 or the 5.4. Put a 3.73 gear in either of the gassers, and you really have nothing.

 

I will have to say i have a 2003 f 350 4x4 6.0 and could not ever be more pleased .. unbleaveable amount of power i guess there are a lot of bad ones and a few good ones but i have 115,xxx on it and it had 3 times the power of a 04 cummens i was going to by a dodge just like mine and the power could not compare i live up in up state ny and it gets cold here it was -8 today and no problem starting ohh i just changed the fule filter today becasue of a noise i never hurd stock from factory never been changed before 115 on it i have a 34 pull camper tripple axle puls it like nothing be hind me no problem at all i get 677 to a tank and its i bleave a 32g tank so im guessing that good i mean there are good ones and bad one i have hurd a lot of storys out there but i love my truck and would not trade it for the world.. go drive one and see if u like it i mean there are problems with v 10s u know its just the luck of the draw if u going to have problems ur going to have problems am i right? so i mean drive one the only one who can tell ur self what to get is your self lol dont take any ones info becasue u might be disatified.. go drive them and do some looking up on the 2 have fun.... just my $.02 stephen

 

It is a very tough choice. I had a 2005 V10 CC and now have a 2007 6.0 PSD. The V10 was nicer to drive around town, fun and less costly to buy. The diesel costs more, but gets much better mileage. Averaging about 25 ~ 30% better mileage with out any change in my driving style. Is this enough to justify the added cost?? Depends on how much you drive and how long you plan to own it. I am in northern Canada and drive my diesel up here in temps down to -40. No real headaches like I had with my 96 7.3 in the cold. The EGR system in the 6.0 helps in the low temps to keep the engine warmer than the diesels in the past as it is putting heat back into the intake. The only thing is you don't want to go somewhere like an airport parking lot where it cannot be plugged in if your gone a while. Be a bugger if you came back and it's -40 and it won't start. The V10 would fire up without being plugged in. I had to think long and hard about going with the PSD and only time will tell if it was the correct choice. Either way they are both great trucks. If I was rich I'd buy one of each. The V10 for fun and short trips around town and the diesel for long trips. BTW I also tow a 10,000 lb + fifth wheel and the V10 would pull it all day in overdrive without breaking a sweat. But if I got into a head wind the gas got rather costly. The diesel does the same but on less fuel. Heck too close for me to honestly vote in the pole as I'm torn between the two.

 

Where did Bob Marlin go? I'm surprised he didn't chime in again. Whatev...

I'm leaning toward the V10 myself for my next truck. The 5.4 is great, but I hear that the gas mileage is pretty similar, so you may as well go with the bigger engine.

Also, I'm not a big fan of the 6.0, it scares me when I read about all the bad press that engine gets. The gasser is the choice for me and I'll keep the extra $6k in the bank for the option of the diesel.

Let us know what you decide.

 

No problem with the gassers, just please move to the slow lane when you see me coming.[/QUOTE]

Remove the turbo and what are you left with, a gutless oil burner that can't get out of it's own way! Put a turbo on the V10 and watch out!

 

Cold weather does not hold anywhere near the problems over today's diesel motors. Refineries have stepped up with their winter blends, fuel additives have some excellent anti-gelling properties, etc. And, if nothing else, folks realize that they may need to take additional precautionary steps in cases of "extreme" weather. Speaking for myself, the overnight temps have been in the sub-zero range for the past week here in Denver, and my 6.0L has started with almost surprising ease without any extra precaution outside of Power Service's Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost (a.k.a. white bottle Diesel Kleen).

I think if we started a thread asking for diesels in the colder areas of the world, many of us might be surprised at how many there really are...even within the small confines of the FTE community. I know that I've seen more than a few members with Canadian & Alaskan cities listed for location.

 

Pick the engine you feel that you will be comfortable with. We went with the V10. The truck is used for towing our 8K lb travel trailer and as my daily driver. The truck tows and drives like a dream. Went with the gasser since it is quieter and requires less general maintenance. Also, we were not sure if the bugs had been worked out of the 6.0 when we bought our Truck in the summer of 2005. Seems like they have based on recent posts

Good luck on your decision!

 

LOL....take off my turbo and add one to a V10. Theres logic. It came with the turbo as part of the upgrade. Hmmm....Upgrade. They call it an Upgrade to Diesel. Upgrade. Has it ever been called a downgrade?

Go get your turbo for the v10. Lets hookup to 10K take a 300 mile trip lets see who gets better fuel economy, pulls harder and doesnt break down.

You talk about the reliability of the diesel. Lets introduce forced induction to the V10 and revisit the reliability issue.



Ill be enjoying my beer and probably dinner, maybe even a good nights rest before you get there.

What a way to start the morning. Flexing those Diesel muscles. I love this place.

 

I traded in my 04' F-350, SC, 4x4, V-10 6-speed 4:30,DRW, w/27k miles on it,,,for a 06' F-350 SC 6.0 PSD, with 3:73,SRW,,,the 04' V-10 was a great truck, never a problem,,and the 6-speed with 4:30's, was a fun truck to drive,,and pulled my 3 different trailer very well. What I have noticed since the trade,,,the 06' PSD will pull as good or better, with the 3:73 gears,,,, compared to the V-10 with the 6-speed and 4:30 gears and the 06' has better brakes, rides better, the TS auto tranny is awsume in tow/haul mode.
They were/are both great trucks,,When I was looking to trade up,,was actually looking for a V-10, found a few,,the test drive was just so so,,then I tried a 6.0 PSD,,and ,,,,,,WOW was all I could say,,and to think just add a programmer (which I have'nt yet,,all stock) to get much more power,,I could'nt resist,,17k miles on its first yr with me,,and is a great truck.

Is there diesel or gas near where you are moving to ?? Usually, are both but never know,,gas is always availible,,diesel,????

 

Diesel is available and actually averages close to the same price as gas. Right now around $0.75-$0.80 a liter or $2.84-$3.03 a gallon.

 

Gas is $2.55 with D at $2.90 per U.S gallon, here in Sacramento Ca. I believe the high price may be from the new ultra low sulfur D in the pumps here. What I can't understand is why the price always goes up when they remove aditives from fuel instead of down! GRRR. Aditives must cost money???

 

Just a couple comments..

The gas price issue is a wash... Diesel is cheaper than gas in the summer around here (and I assume that's typical) in the winter Diesel is more expensive than gas. Plus you get better mileage with a Diesel.. But at the end of the day, unless you are pinching pennies the difference in how much you are going to spend on fuel/gas is so insignificant its not worth basing your decision off of..

(oh, and whomever said they are getting 16.7 mpg in a V-10) I call B.S. Downhill with the wind at your back maybe... (again, not to bash the V-10 but lets just be real)

As far as reliability, I have 20,000 miles on my 06 PSD and its been flawless.

IMO the biggest difference that noone has mentioned is driveability

Now I LOOOOVE my diesel... STOCK power is awesome... and for $300 you can put a tuner on the truck that will stick your truck up there (and beat) Mustang GT's. (so forget all this chest thumping about putting a turbo on a v-10) ANYONE who wants killer power should be looking Diesel and a $300 tuner.

But in stock configuration, the biggest difference DRIVING the Diesel vs. the V-10 DAY IN AND DAY OUT is going to be the turbo lag. Its REALLY difficult to 'shoot' across an intersection with a diesel (stock) because of the turbo lag it takes a second or two before the power hits (and when it hits, it HITS) but its much more difficult to drive aggressively with a diesel with the turbo lag. When you are towing down the road, or driving on the interstate, driveablility is the same, but around town, stop and go driving... stepping out into traffic. Sometimes that turbo lag (which is only a second or two) seems like a LIFETIME when you are trying to squeeze across a busy intersection with oncoming traffic barreling down at you. THAT in my opinion is the biggest difference (besides the extra cost for the diesel)

I love my diesel... I love the sounds, I love the smell, I love the power, and I love knowing that for only $300 and about 30 seconds of effort I can turn my STOCK diesel into a DRAG-WORTHY truck AND BACK to stock 30 seconds later. I love filling up with the truckers, and I love the psychological value of getting 18-19 mpg on the highway. (again, I say psychological value because overall, the cost difference for fuel/gas all things considered is insignificant for me)