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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 05:38 AM
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Deep Pan Confusion!

I'm in E40D 4R100 DEEP PAN Transmission cooler confusion land!

Theres a few different brands etc out there & I don't know what to get!
About 50%of the problem is...moost of the suppliers don't ship downunder!

The performance parts suppliers downunder don't carry these for anything later than the C6 box it appears and everytime I say "no" I mean 4R100 from a F250 7.3 PSD" - they just go "huh?".."you mean the C6"...and I go like - "No" NOT the freakin C6 you thickhead, **** for brains - I mean the Fricken F250 7.3 Power Stroke Diesel Auto trans E40D 4R100 Deep Pan Cooler with fins and Temp sender port like the one Mag tech make...and the dude then goes... "Ohh you mean the C6?"' and I go like - "have you got shyte for brains?...are you as thick as two short planks? Lights on but nobody home? - two bricks short of a chimney?...10 story building but the lift stops at the 8th floor?... for Christs sake man - shut your fricken mouth & give your ears a go - you might learn something, I mean a Aluma Mag tech Deep Pan transmission pan to suit the E40D 4R100 transmission in a F250 7.3 Power Stroke diesel F truck 4wd 2004 model with the cooling fins and temp sender port!!"..

And he says, "Ohh - you mean the C6!" and I says - "Verbage changed by moderator" and hang up!!

I'm tired a this shyte already!

We ain't got anyone with half a brain stocks this stuff downunder, you got lots of folks do but few if any who ship downunder and this is all getting just too damned hard!

So...I'm looking thru ebay now, and I see a couple possibilities maybe since speaking to local performance parts stores was likely to send me to an early grave!!











and of course theres the Mag Hyteck Aluma mag deep transmission pan from site sponsors as well!

I'm so confused now... I havent a clue what to get or where to get it or who the fricken heck to get it from!

Sheesh - am I the only one goes thru nightmares to buy a part?

Ohh - and I don't mean the freaking C6 transmission OK????

That is all!

Cheers!
 

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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 07:33 AM
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Brian of BTS transmission fame never installs a big pan on his bulletproof transmissions.
There's a lot of consensus that there isn't much benefit and if your transmission gets too hot, then you just have that much more overheated ATF to cool back down.
In your climate cold isn't an issue, but the reverse is true as well. It's that much more fluid that needs to be brought up to operating temperature every morning.
 
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Kwikkordead
Brian of BTS transmission fame never installs a big pan on his bulletproof transmissions.
There's a lot of consensus that there isn't much benefit and if your transmission gets too hot, then you just have that much more overheated ATF to cool back down.
In your climate cold isn't an issue, but the reverse is true as well. It's that much more fluid that needs to be brought up to operating temperature every morning.
I have a Mag-Hytec pan and I agree with Kwik...with hindsight I would not have installed it. I would have spent the money on my external filtering and tranny cooler/fan system sooner and been ahead on bucks .
 
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Kwikkordead
Brian of BTS transmission fame never installs a big pan on his bulletproof transmissions.
There's a lot of consensus that there isn't much benefit and if your transmission gets too hot, then you just have that much more overheated ATF to cool back down.
In your climate cold isn't an issue, but the reverse is true as well. It's that much more fluid that needs to be brought up to operating temperature every morning.
I totally agree with this, Brian talked me out of buying one when I worked on my transmission. This seemed odd to me at the time but I went with it and he was right my transmission fluid never gets very hot (even when towing), and I have a stock cooler too...
 
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 10:38 AM
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Jeremy at LIPD could get you one... I dont know what the shipping would be to there but its an option...
 
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 11:32 AM
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BTS did recommend the 6.0 Cooler. Yes, there is more fluid in the big pan but how much cooler is it really? Has anyone done a before and after with it?
 
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 11:32 AM
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I was just gonna do everything first up!

Based on my experience so far...with buying things stateside and shipping them....everything about triples in price by time I get it!

A $4000 BTS tranny by the time i got it would set me back about Aus$12,000 + I still have pay to install it on top of that!

So I really can't afford to tear up the stock standard one I have now which already has 60K miles on it (Unless I want to see no change outta 20 grand!!).

I've got the oil samples sent away for analysis - (including tranny oil) to give me an idea of where I am at! To my inexperienced eye - the damn oil was more brown than red - and to me that meant clutch particles in it...but it's been 30 years since I ever looked inside a auto trans and I'm no expert!

The analysis samples will tell me the true story!

I've got the tranny Oil Bypas Kit on order from Jeremy @ LIPD, but it's been almost a month and no sign of it yet!

I figure to buy the deep pan - and oil cooler & 2 Fans!

When all pieces are here...I was going to drop the pan and swap out, + install the inline filter, & add the cooler and fan!
Then I need to add the trans temp Pyro & Boost gauges!

Jodys making me a DP Tuner...as I type..

I aim to be outta here for a months fishing up the coast 1800 miles one way, by March 1st with 7500 pounds of boat behind me!

I've already rented the house to stay for $5K for the month!

I've got the Vacuum breaks installed in the truck$3K, the boat trailer overhauled$2K and hopefully the long range diesel tank installed in the truck next week or so!(Another $2.5K)

The LPG tank installation goes in 2nd week in Feb!(4$k)

I need to add maybe a second alternator and twin backup batterys($2K) for the 2 engel fridge freezers.(2K). (one between the seats for cold drinks and lunches / sandwiches while on the road, one in the back for bringing home frozen fillets and another in the boat for same)!

I have a bit of work to get done these next 6 weeks....and need to get cracking now! Last thing I needs to be stuck on the side of the road 900 miles from home with a cooked transmission - I wasn't planning on taking any chances!

I figured I just bite the bullet and get everything done at once!

As you see I already have the engine oil bypas filters and magnets etc in place!($1K)

I'm trying not to skimp and end up stuck in the middle of no where with a large boat and no means to tow it, with a broke truck that needs transporting on a flat top for repairs!

I guess an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure?

There just aren't any towns even - on route to the fishing place once I leave the capital city Perth at the start of the journey... I need to be 100% "self sufficient" in what I take and that it all needs to work properly!

Theres little help once on the highway short of freighting the whole shooting match home on a semi trailer if I run into trouble.

I'm headed to the Former US "Harold Holt" Naval base at Exmouth, for the Gamex fishing competition in March!

I bought this truck so I wouldn't run into trouble!
I'm trying hard to make it trouble free!
Heck I'm even going to have a CPS in the glove box and the usual spare radiator hoses - serpentine belts etc!! 2 Spare wheels for the truck and two for the boat! Spare Hub and rotor with bearings for the trailer etc..

Been a lot of years waiting for this family fishing holiday - the kids are all pretty much grown and ready to leave the nest...and I want to make sure it all goes according to plan! Likely as not it'll be our first proper "family holiday" together in 20 years and probably the last!
I've serviced the twin OB's including oil & filters and plugs & water pumps etc.. Everythings getting almost ready to go...
But I still got a bit to do and the waiting part for freighting stuff kills me!

I hear you all about the deep transmission pan...BUT here with our heat, I figure more oil = better??

Ergo ...the more oil there is - the less time it spends inside the tranny getting hot and the more time it spends in either the deep pan, bypass filter or oil cooler getting cooled!

Shedding heats the big problem here! (From engine as well as Tranny) & likely the Air con will be at 100% the whiole time!

Ambient temps while towing will likely be 100f to 110f shade temp - and more like 125f - 130f reflected heat from the bitumen road at the radiator level in front of the truck!

Add in engine heat, wind resistance (This boats got a big azz cabin - a lot of windage to tow - like towing an office block!)...plus a months worth a family food and bedding, 4 Scuba dive bottles + Tackle, probably 250 gallons fuel on the boat and similar in the truck..

I'm going to be hauling some serious weight against some serious wind resistance for probably 36 hours non stop!

With any luck - non of the new trailer breaks discs will grab or drag since I just overhauled all the calipers with new O rings etc and greased all the slides and so on!

I figure between the truck and boat fishing every day for a month, my fuel bill alone is going to be 20K! (Remember we pay about 4 or 5 bucks a a gallon for gas and diesel here!).

This trip is hopefully gonna be bigger than Ben Hur!

I'll be sure & post photo's - I'm just praying they won't be from broken down alongside the road somewheres just this side a th' black stump!!

Cheers!
 

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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 02:07 PM
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Whoa now, it cost $1000 austrailian dollars for the bypass oil filter kit and the magnets?
 
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 02:26 PM
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Yeah

Bye the time i got em here (Paying as much as the filter kit again in freight) then converted double by another 25% again for exchange rate, Goods & services tax of 10% and so it goes! (I had a few full flow filter cartridges in there as well and my 3 oil sample kits!).

The neodymium/boron magnets I bought locally but 5 a them at 60 bucks each and a fuel line magnet at $120, there was no change from $Aus 1000 for the oil bypass job, and I still need to buy the bypass filters in a 3 or 6 or 12 pack from Oilguard & ship them out yet!

Basically, I just multiply everything you pay x 3 times for a landed here price in our $!

Thats how a US$40K truck ends up costing $120K new here!

It's what we live with!

I figure the truck & boat and gear in it, on it's trailer - hooked up and ready to roll, will have about $Aus350K "invested" (Thats not a good world for depreciating assets) in it, as a rig to fish with!

Now thats about the "median" 4 x 2 Family Double Brick & tile House on a 1/5th acre lot Price, in the suburbs of the states Capital city, Perth prices at the moment!

I must be nuts!

Cheers!
 

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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 02:32 PM
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You can get old neodymium magnets out of dead hard drives...
 
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 02:35 PM
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I can

You can get old neodymium magnets out of dead hard drives...
Cool - thanks - theres two old hard drives about to take a wee trip to the woodheap for a meeting with an axe!

Cheers!
 
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 02:37 PM
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What, exactly, is that $120AU fuel-line magnet used for?

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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 10:08 PM
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 10:25 PM
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Dont blame me!

It says on the box "Made in America!"

Heck - it does everything bar make me a cup of coffee in bed in the mornings!
(If you believe the packaging!) Heck - the pachagings gold in color - it HAS to be good!

"Supermax International Research & Development Inc"....

You want me to type it all - how it traps any ferrous metal particles before they get to the fuel pump & injectors, how it creates an area of "sticky space" thru which the non homogenous clusters of molecules in diesel fuel have to rearrange themselves, like good little toy soldiers into neat lil lines of homogenous non clumped molecules to get thru - thus allowing MORE chemical bonding points for oxygen molecules to attach themselves to the carbon molecules during combustion giving a better %age burn = more power and less varnish & gum buildup from unlean burns!

The Supermax litterally breaks the clusters of molecules apart
yada yada yada...

Summut like that is what it says - maybe I should scan the whole thing so you can read it all & the installataion destructions.

Heck it even has an unconditional money back guarantee within 3 months for the fuelmax booster!

I am tempted to say - you get a free set of steak knives with it and wait theres more - but probably best I scan it and mount the info for you all to assess without my opinion tarnishing it's reputation either way.

Let me put it this way - my truck hasn't STOPPED working since I put it on!

Back to the pan - the local C6 autoparts guy has tracked down a pan for me for only $930, & a trans coller kit for only another 370 and a transmission temp gauge for only 131...

Only $1431, gee that seems reasonable!

Cheers!
 

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Old Jan 11, 2007 | 10:57 AM
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Ok

Ok,
I don't know if this is gonna work!
I scanned the packaging of this wonder fuel magnet thing for anyones as gullible as me and wants to try one!





I don't know if ya'll will be able to read that!

Maybe you'll have to copy it to you puter and enlarge it or something if your interested enough!

Cheers!
 
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