Scafes, when the EPA and API along with the auto manufacturers come to an agreement on what is and is not allowable, its pretty much fact, and the ones warranting the product are right. That then makes Amsoil wrong hence they cannot meet the requirements that are very black and white. I am not saying it is a bad product, never did. I used it in my 89 sportster, but it being a roller bearing motor I could not justify its high cost. In the transmission and the primary, I still use synthetic, due to the heat and friction of the clutches and gears. Mercon SP is a full synthetic, so again I will say what is the benifit of changing from one overpriced synthetic (yes I think the SP is over priced) to another that is not approved, but promisses to be.

 

Here are the calculations for the iron wear rate. My current amount of iron is 24ppm so based on my calculations, my truck is wearing at a rate of 11ppm of iron per 5000 miles.(see attached jpeg) so with over 20,000 miles on the oil, it is looking pretty good compaired to blackstone's average of wear rate of 17 ppm, which would equal 36ppm in the current oil in my truck.(see attached jpeg)

I hope it makes sense.

 

the universal ATF can't be certified, they would have to make 100 different ATF's or however many there are out there these days, and certify each one. It doesn't need to be ceritfied for people who know better to use it so why bother making all these different fluids just to make the people who dont know any better happy? Some of the finest products in the world today aren't stamped and certified.

 

simply because it's a higher grade synthetic, not all syns are made equally, amsoil has been making full syns way longer than mercon, they're a company dedicated to making the highest qualtiy lube you can get as opposed to the mercon which is only dedicated to mass production in the lines of meeting api ratings and certifications. It's like eating at McDonalds which has all their food certified by the fda or whatever, vs eating your mom's homemade meals carefuly cooked on a much smaller scale using much finer ingredients. I dont think anyone's mom's kitchen has a board of health certification on the wall.

 

how can you go by any of your numbers considering how many filters you have on your truck?

 

Cool, just exactly where is Amsoils PolyAlphaOlephins plant located? The fact that they do not have one means that long before they were a dream, someone was making PolyAlphaOlephins and selling them. Last time I checked Amsoil is little more than a bottler, they make virtually nothing. So you basicly want me to believe that ConocoPhillips (currently blends for Motorcraft) is inferior to Amsoil? You had better re-think that statement, as they are the second largest refiner in the U.S. I don't think they got that way by being second to Amsoil.

 

Why can't it be certified? Mobil 1 universal sythetic atf is.

 

Bingo!

 

Just another example of how the simple logic of just looking at the surface gets you answers like that. Yes, Amsoil is a 'blender' of different componets. The point is that NO ONE else is doing it like Amsoil, or should I say WAS doing it like them. It is irregardless who they buy the raw componets from, the bottom line is that they take these items and make a product. A product that was for a lot of years the ONLY one on the market and like I stated, it was certified in the 70's. They chose to go in a different direction than others and decided not to pay the exorbanant amount of money that is extorted from companies by API just to be able to slap a label on it and say it meets somebodies criteria. In fact, they also buy from Lubrizol, add pacts and such. That doesn't mean that they are buying the same thing Mobil buys. Customers buy the chemical compounds they need in order to reach whatever goal they have for that particular product.

The lock that oil companies had on Detroit is loosing up. Europe has had longer drain intervals than the US for decades. GM is installing oil life monitoring systems that routinely tell the consumer to go 6-8K before changing the oil. The days of 3K OCI is coming to an end, sooner not later. Amsoil was ahead of its day with 25K or one year OCI's back in the 70's. It has worked for millions.

 

I forgot about this last night. This is a perfect example of how things get going in the wrong direction. THE YELLOW BOX WAS PUT THERE BY BOB. IT IS NOT AMSOIL'S. People see and believe what they want to believe. Sorry Beach, but I have to point it out or countless others will think that Amsoil had printed that yellow box there.

As pertains to cost, Amsoil is NOT more expensive that any other quality syn like RP. Just like Walmart, Target, Macy's, Dillards, etc. price their merchandise according to what the consumer will pay for it, so do independant dealers of Amsoil. If you don't like what the dealer next door wants to charge for it, you are free to shop elsewhere. Personally, I am a dealer ONLY to buy it for myself and a couple of others. I buy it for about $6.15/qt, somewhere there abouts. Even if I add 10% its still cheaper than buying RP from O'Reilly's Auto Parts in town, which sells RP for $7.10/qt.

 

Amsoil in not a refiner. Everyone knows that Ryan. Does that mean that they cannot take componets from refiners and make a superior product, of coarse not. Who made your TV? Odds are that it was Matshushta (sp) in Japan. At one time they made over ten different lines of TV's for various companies. Does that mean that a Zenith is the same as a Hitachi? I think not. Each tv is made to the specs of each 'manufacturer'. One Japanese company makes them all according to each ones requirements. One can be more advanced then the others. This kind of stuff happens all the time in business. Mobil is not just a refiner of 'motor oil' for you car, they refine and sell numerous componets that a company like Amsoil can purchase and use to make another product that has every chance of being better than a product Mobil produces.

Syn oils were for a very long time a minute slice of the oil pie. Mobil, Shell, etc. didn't care about the market, until now. Could Mobil make a better syn oil than Amsoil? You bet, perhaps someday they will. Mobil Syn is a very good oil that matches Amsoil nearly step for step. Only the future knows what will come down the pike.

Oh yeah, they got to be the second largest by merger. Just kidding, I know you know that, but oil companies got the size they are by our economy being fueled on oil, not by producing top quality motor oils.

 

Listen, this is exactly what I was talking about earlier, there seems to be this urge with some of you to convince me and others about how great Amsoil is and that and Blah blah blah you can go 20k intervals blah blah blah. I KNOW it is a good product. But to say that no one else is doing it like them? Come on, that is just plain ignorance. I guess Redline, Mutol, Torco and others are not doing it as good as Amsoil huh?

Once again, to recommend a 20k OCI to your average joe blow out there is not a smart marketing slogan. There is a requirement of a bypass filter which most people don't know about, and really who's gonna fork over 50-80 dollars for a oil change when you talley everything up? And to say millions have done something like that! Okey Dokey what ever you say sir.

 

That's funny you should say that. When I bought my 01 7.3 I never look in the manual when to change oil and changed it every 3k just like i was doing before . Now I see they even recomend 7.5k for normal service . That's over twice as long as it was before. So times are changing

 

I would never think of being able to change someones mind on using Amsoil or how great it is.

Most people pick a brand of oil and will defend it to death because thats the oil they choose and take it as an insult of their choice.

To myself oil is oil no secrets about it. Some better than others . Some cost more. Change it when manufacture says to and no problems.

Can anyone prove an engine faliure because of oil brand or type related that was changed and maintain at manufactures recomendations ?

I know I can't think of one !

 

this is a funny thread if you can read with a totally 3rd person perspective. to put it short and simple, i see a lot of dissing of products persons have never tried. you can't dog it till you tried it. <-- a piece of wisdom we can use daily in our lives. but then again, some of these products have been tried and the costs did not justify the gains or losses. you have valid input, if you're making valid claims, but nonetheless i see domineering attitudes over something that did not benefit you. so be it. i see alot of teenyboppers in my area with jacked up trucks and awful amounts of hardware added to their trucks, that mostly parents paid for, and these kids never use that hardware for what they're intended for. the money was there and theirs to spend and the benefits are mostly cosmetic and not beneficial in the long run, even resale value. who am i say that this doesn't benefit them in the vagina department? they have peace of mind that the vagina will flock to their otherwise useless truck? synthetics cost more and they cost more for a reason. they definitely have benefits, some short-term and some long term and combination of both. i myself will upgrade to synthetic in the near future. i will try full synthetic for the engine, and then i will note my increases/losses and then i will try blends. not blends you buy in a bottle, but perhaps 3 qts of dino and 3 qts of synthetics to see what gains i might have and to offset the losses in the wallet. if i find that 2 quarts of synthetic and 4 quarts of dino give me 75% of the short term benefits as opposed to a full synthetic oil change i might go that route. i have never heard of anybody losses sustained from using any brand of dino, synthetic, blend or combinations when oil changes were made within reasonable recommendations. our wallets all take a hit when we change our oil.