.J/K Sorry Bob I just couldn't help it.
The Amsoil Anomaly:
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Originally Posted by firesoutmatt
Now that is the way syn oil should be run. Looks good
Don't tell Bob yet he might not take it well that Amsoil is doing what they said it should.
Don't tell Bob yet he might not take it well that Amsoil is doing what they said it should.
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Last edited by Bob Ayers; Feb 27, 2007 at 07:37 AM.
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Ultimately, though, White Buffalo didn't really provide much detail regarding his analysis results and oil run sequencing. Jason's analysis above at least demonstrates not just a final summary of experience (like White Buffalo's), but it also includes the details that demonstrate how his engine has performed over the life of the oil.
Without the same kind of details from WB, I am hesitant to draw very many conclusions from it, much like others questioned my "one-time" experience with Amsoil in my old in-line six.
Someone suggested that I should have run a "repeat" analysis and included reversing my "change in oil supply" as a way to definitively verify my results, and they were exactly correct. I would say the same about anyone else's "experimentation" with various oil suppliers, and will be doing so myself with my PSD. The only variable that will remain uncontrollable is the age of the egnine and the amount of wear that cannot be reversed as different oil suppliers are evaluated over time.
Brings me to a question...
Jason, is this your first run on the Amsoil 15w40 syn?
Without the same kind of details from WB, I am hesitant to draw very many conclusions from it, much like others questioned my "one-time" experience with Amsoil in my old in-line six.
Someone suggested that I should have run a "repeat" analysis and included reversing my "change in oil supply" as a way to definitively verify my results, and they were exactly correct. I would say the same about anyone else's "experimentation" with various oil suppliers, and will be doing so myself with my PSD. The only variable that will remain uncontrollable is the age of the egnine and the amount of wear that cannot be reversed as different oil suppliers are evaluated over time.
Brings me to a question...
Jason, is this your first run on the Amsoil 15w40 syn?
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Originally Posted by F250-Newbie
Ultimately, though, White Buffalo didn't really provide much detail regarding his analysis results and oil run sequencing. Jason's analysis above at least demonstrates not just a final summary of experience (like White Buffalo's), but it also includes the details that demonstrate how his engine has performed over the life of the oil.
Without the same kind of details from WB, I am hesitant to draw very many conclusions from it, much like others questioned my "one-time" experience with Amsoil in my old in-line six.
Someone suggested that I should have run a "repeat" analysis and included reversing my "change in oil supply" as a way to definitively verify my results, and they were exactly correct. I would say the same about anyone else's "experimentation" with various oil suppliers, and will be doing so myself with my PSD. The only variable that will remain uncontrollable is the age of the egnine and the amount of wear that cannot be reversed as different oil suppliers are evaluated over time.
Brings me to a question...
Jason, is this your first run on the Amsoil 15w40 syn?
Without the same kind of details from WB, I am hesitant to draw very many conclusions from it, much like others questioned my "one-time" experience with Amsoil in my old in-line six.
Someone suggested that I should have run a "repeat" analysis and included reversing my "change in oil supply" as a way to definitively verify my results, and they were exactly correct. I would say the same about anyone else's "experimentation" with various oil suppliers, and will be doing so myself with my PSD. The only variable that will remain uncontrollable is the age of the egnine and the amount of wear that cannot be reversed as different oil suppliers are evaluated over time.
Brings me to a question...
Jason, is this your first run on the Amsoil 15w40 syn?
In looking at Jason's results, I would not keep running an oil with the viscosity below spec, and the iron levels that high! I would use a much
cheaper oil, change it at the recommended OCI, and the engine will be cleaner, and have less wear!!!
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Originally Posted by Bob Ayers
In looking at Jason's results, I would not keep running an oil with the viscosity below spec, and the iron levels that high! I would use a much
cheaper oil, change it at the recommended OCI, and the engine will be cleaner, and have less wear!!!
cheaper oil, change it at the recommended OCI, and the engine will be cleaner, and have less wear!!!
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Originally Posted by firesoutmatt
Bob you must not have read the comments from Blackstone on Jasons oil.
statement on using a cheaper oil, and changing it at the recommended OCI
will result in a cleaner engine with less wear.....I don't think anybody
can dispute that!!!
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Originally Posted by Bob Ayers
In looking at Jason's results, I would not keep running an oil with the viscosity below spec, and the iron levels that high! ...
I have to agree with you, Bob, but only on the basis of the the iron levels. With it being the cooler time of year, I wouldn't be too worried about the viscosity because of how close it is to the "recommended" range. Still, you can't deny that the oil has performed well for such an extended run.
One thing I also noticed was the elements from the additive package. There has been some proposals proferred here that the micron level filtering in these bypass units will actually filter out the additive package components. Jason's analysis results doesn't quite support that concept. The only way to know for sure, though, would be if he had an analysis on the oil before it ran in the engine (which is the reason why I had Blackstone run their tests on my DEO straight from the bottle).
It is also interesting how Jason's Calcium levels jumped after the first analysis. Any suggestions from anyone on why?
Last edited by F250-Newbie; Feb 27, 2007 at 09:32 AM.
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I'm not sure about that "12 quart" value, Bob. You're assuming that he's added 4 quarts for every analysis, which neither Jason nor Blackstone states clearly. I read it as 4 quarts over the life of the oil, which is what Blackstone is really asking for when you submit your samples to them.
Chime in, Jason, we need some clarification here.
Chime in, Jason, we need some clarification here.