Hemi's make me laugh
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Originally Posted by jeffwoehrle
I'm sure we'll all be dead from global warming before that. 
Bring on the veggie oil! Anything that can make some black smoke is fine with me...even if it does smell like popcorn...
Bring on the veggie oil! Anything that can make some black smoke is fine with me...even if it does smell like popcorn...
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The new "hemi" is really a ricer engine in disguise. It has high hp ratings but for something heavy like a truck it doesn't have the low end torque necessary.
Kind of like the Old Chebby Impala SS 260hp 330tq versus the Marauder something like 300hp and pitiful torque but high RPM. The Marauder looked good on paper but couldn't match track performance of the SS. The Marauder was too heavy for that tiny modular V8 to lug around with any authority.
My philosophy has been that big heavy vehicles need high torque low RPM power. Light vehicles can get away with ricer style high RPM engines.
I am a little surprised the hemi did as bad as it did. The Durango isn't nearly as heavy as a full size truck if I recall, more like a car. But from the reading it sounds like there is a lot of drive train loss. Oh well real life experience tells the truth.
Just my opinion.
Kind of like the Old Chebby Impala SS 260hp 330tq versus the Marauder something like 300hp and pitiful torque but high RPM. The Marauder looked good on paper but couldn't match track performance of the SS. The Marauder was too heavy for that tiny modular V8 to lug around with any authority.
My philosophy has been that big heavy vehicles need high torque low RPM power. Light vehicles can get away with ricer style high RPM engines.
I am a little surprised the hemi did as bad as it did. The Durango isn't nearly as heavy as a full size truck if I recall, more like a car. But from the reading it sounds like there is a lot of drive train loss. Oh well real life experience tells the truth.
Just my opinion.
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There's nothing like comparing a modded Diesel to a stock Gas motor. And when you comnpare the HEMI to the other gas motors offered, it easily wins in any category regardless of your bias. Personally I think the SuperDuty is the best work truck out there but begs for a stronger gas motor. The HEMI can definitely use some more low end torque but doesn't lose anything to the 6.0 from GM or the 5.4 from Ford in that department. Someone talked about the Nissan Titan-great motor and a great first attempt at a full size truck. Supposedly the new Tundra is going to have high (370ish) HP and some big diesel 3/4ton to follow.
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The 3 v V-10 currently out will smoke any hemi any day. Like people have said the hemi lacks low end torque which is critical for a truck to have. I am so sick off some off these hemi guys being so cocky. It takes a little Ford power to bring them back to reality.
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Originally Posted by Gunner15a
I remember a company I worked for a couple of years ago had a policy of rotating company trucks about every 3 or 4 years, and had deals with all the Big 3 (Ford, GM, Chevy). Of course the senior hands got the first choice. Well out of 17 senior hands, 15 of them traded their Powerstrokes for Dodge Hemi pickup trucks (the other two got new Ford gassers). Well out of the 15 that got Hemis, 13 of them took them DIRECTLY back to the dealer to have new rear main seals put in them. They ALL blew the rear mains, and they weren't even towing anything............
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Gunner15a
Thats funny
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Jeez, look what I started LOL. Like most said, sometimes you gotta put some folks back in their places. I'll tell ya this though- as cocky as some of them Hemi owners may be, I am thankfull that they bought AMERICAN. I can tolerate the chevy and dodge guys, but I outright hate the japanese trucks. I never liked foreign cars to begin with, but when you get some uppity dude driving like he owns the roads, that just chaffs my rear end (I've learned to control my language, thanks Mods!) I hope I don't offend my fellow Ford fans, but that's just me. Hell, when I deployed to Okinawa last (2001) I couldn't bring myself to buy a junker to get around base for a measly $300. Someone finally gave me a van for free, and other than gas, I refused to put a penny into it. Just my 2 cents.
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Japanese trucks?
Titans are built in Canton, Mississippi (2007 Titan: 339ci 32 valve DOHC V8; 317HP; 379 ft lbs torque)
Tundras are built in San Antonio, Texas
Some Rams are built in Mexico
Some GM/Chevvies built in Canada
Some Fords are built in Canada
Yeah, I know that the ricer money goes to Japan, but with globalization...who knows where money goes anywhere today.
Titans are built in Canton, Mississippi (2007 Titan: 339ci 32 valve DOHC V8; 317HP; 379 ft lbs torque)
Tundras are built in San Antonio, Texas
Some Rams are built in Mexico
Some GM/Chevvies built in Canada
Some Fords are built in Canada
Yeah, I know that the ricer money goes to Japan, but with globalization...who knows where money goes anywhere today.
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Hemi's aren't that powerful..they act like it's got 660 Horsepower, it only has 345...and besides even if it did have 660 Horsepower, I wouldn't buy it, becuase Dodges are butt-ugly trucks. Hemi's are so over-rated...the commericials are so lame. I heard Dr. Z hurt Chryslar's image.
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[QUOTE=150ford]The 3 v V-10 currently out will smoke any hemi any day. Like people have said the hemi lacks low end torque which is critical for a truck to have. I am so sick off some off these hemi guys being so cocky. It takes a little Ford power to bring them back to reality.
Yeah...I do see Dodge truck owners bieng so cocky over their Hemi's. My dad's '03 Superduty 6.0 litre powerstroke eats Chevies and sh-ts Dodges,
Yeah...I do see Dodge truck owners bieng so cocky over their Hemi's. My dad's '03 Superduty 6.0 litre powerstroke eats Chevies and sh-ts Dodges,
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Rumor has it that Herr Dr. Z is shopping Chrysler...that 1.5 billion DC lost in the 3rd quarter, and things looking bleak down the road is the reason. At last count there was over a 4 month supply of unsold Dodge trucks nationwide.
btw: Durango's are built off the Dakota Chassis, as is the new Chrysler Aspirin...er Aspen.
btw: Durango's are built off the Dakota Chassis, as is the new Chrysler Aspirin...er Aspen.
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Yeah NumberDummy, I know what you mean. I know that damn near any vehicle driven in the good old USA is assembled here, or likewise our trucks can be built out of country. I just have this dream that one day American money will be kept in America, enough of this outsourcing crap. But hey, back to Hemi bashing lol.....
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
btw: Durango's are built off the Dakota Chassis, as is the new Chrysler Aspirin...er Aspen.
The '98 - '03 model year Durangos (1st Gen, as they are unofficially called) were built on the Dakota frame & running gear. They also shared several body components--primarily the front clip.
The '04+ Durangos (2nd Gen) are unique. They do not currently share a frame with any other Daimler-Chrysler (DC, henceforth) product. If you read through the usual motor company sales propoganda, they'll flaunt the fact that it was an entirely new, fully hydroformed frame.
As for the original topic, I can understand where some of the Hemi cockiness comes from...
While the 4.7L V8--that DC "stole" from Jeep after acquiring them--was slowly replacing the 5.9L Magnum throughout DC's line-up, it was not the engine that DC had hoped it would be. By releasing a new Hemi, DC not only brought back an iconic name, but they were also able to release a V8 that produced roughly 100 horsepower more than either the 5.9L or 4.7L...with very similar fuel efficiency (not counting those with MDS (multiple displacement system)). Needless to say, that makes it a pretty good upgrade for all those folks that had a Dakota, Durango, or Ram with the 4.7L or 5.9L V8s.