Additive Comparison
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Well, I took a look at the bottle of Diesel Kleen and by golly if it didn't say that the 96 ounce bottle will treat 300 gallons - so the correct ratio is 1:400.
That puts it right on par with the Howe's, which says 1 gallon of it will treat 400 gallons of fuel - also 1:400 (obviously).
That also brings the cost for the two products much closer together. A nickel per gallon to treat the fuel with Diesel Kleen and 6 cents per gallon for Howe's.
So far one person (Hamberger) has given a strong testimonial for Howe's.
We also have one person who's pump rebuilder specified Diesel Kleen.
And we have one person who likes both AND Lucas.
Anyone of you other long-time IDI drivers have any input?
That puts it right on par with the Howe's, which says 1 gallon of it will treat 400 gallons of fuel - also 1:400 (obviously).
That also brings the cost for the two products much closer together. A nickel per gallon to treat the fuel with Diesel Kleen and 6 cents per gallon for Howe's.
So far one person (Hamberger) has given a strong testimonial for Howe's.
We also have one person who's pump rebuilder specified Diesel Kleen.
And we have one person who likes both AND Lucas.
Anyone of you other long-time IDI drivers have any input?
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From: Double Oak, TX
power service's product is diesel kleen. they have 2 products, 1 anti-gel and 1 not (silver bottle) both are available at wal-mart. being in texas, i use the silver bottle, non-anti gel.
not being overly concerned with cost per gal when added (our truck may sit for 2 weeks in the bay), i just add 1/4 bottle (8ozs) per tank per fill-up.
jhanna
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not being overly concerned with cost per gal when added (our truck may sit for 2 weeks in the bay), i just add 1/4 bottle (8ozs) per tank per fill-up.
jhanna
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does vegetable oil count as an additive? if so, I burn alot of that....
i have some diesel kleen. I mostly keep it on hand to fill a fuel filter with. Otherwise once in awhile I think it might go bad, so I dump some in the fuel tank.
i have some diesel kleen. I mostly keep it on hand to fill a fuel filter with. Otherwise once in awhile I think it might go bad, so I dump some in the fuel tank.
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From: Nutter Fort, WV
I run both the white and grey diesel kleen at or above the regular dosage.
I also run Stanadyne Lubricity when I get by the Case dealer, they have a good price on it..
I have also used Howe's, but the truck stop I was getting it at was bought out by 7-11 so they have nothing like that now.
The NAPA truck store here also has Lucas products, but I have never tried it, I always forget when I am on that side of town and I fuel on the other side of town.
Bottom line, I think each is a good product.
Most cost close to the same amount at recommended dosage.
All are cheap when you price an IP and injectors.
I also run Stanadyne Lubricity when I get by the Case dealer, they have a good price on it..
I have also used Howe's, but the truck stop I was getting it at was bought out by 7-11 so they have nothing like that now.
The NAPA truck store here also has Lucas products, but I have never tried it, I always forget when I am on that side of town and I fuel on the other side of town.
Bottom line, I think each is a good product.
Most cost close to the same amount at recommended dosage.
All are cheap when you price an IP and injectors.
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Anybody have any opinion of the NAPA diesel additive for low sulpher fuel? I have a gallon of it and have started using it in each tankful (only about 4 oz per tank).
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I am really going to through one out there. I knew of operators who used to use atf (auto trans fluid) to fill their filters after a change. Or would put a quart of atf in their fuel tanks every oil change. Their claim/belief was that the atf would clean the injectors.
To me, it seemed that if you were burning something closer to oil, it would just make more carbon. True or false ?
But, what would atf do for lubricity of the IP and injectors, if that is what we are considering here. A quart of atf is much cheaper.
I warned you, this was out there.
jhanna
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To me, it seemed that if you were burning something closer to oil, it would just make more carbon. True or false ?
But, what would atf do for lubricity of the IP and injectors, if that is what we are considering here. A quart of atf is much cheaper.
I warned you, this was out there.
jhanna
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`90,f450,7.3l,5speed,5.13axles
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Back in the old days of high sulphur fuel, the biggest thing you had to be concerned about was parrafin and other deposit buildup in the fuel system.
Fuel system cleaners were not widely available and ATF was cheap.
ATF is a rather good cleaner.
ATF does nothing for added lubrication, that was not an issue back then.
Diesel in those day had 5000+ PPM sulphur.
Low sulphur diesel has 50 PPM.
ULSD is under 5 PPM.
The IP and injectors your truck is running were designed in the days of 5000+ PPM sulphur, the sulphur was the lubrication.
I was a trucker 30 years ago, and yes we used a couple quarts of ATF to clean out the deposits. At the same time we also mixed gasoline with our diesel in the winter to keep from gelling up.
Today there are specialty products on the market that do a better job and cost less to use than the old ways.
Yes there are old timer running the road that that is all they have ever used, so they are probably still using it. When I was using ATF, it was like 40 cents a quart. We put in a quart per 50 gallons of fuel. I have no idea what ATF costs today, but I bet Diesel Kleen is cheaper than ATF.
Fuel system cleaners were not widely available and ATF was cheap.
ATF is a rather good cleaner.
ATF does nothing for added lubrication, that was not an issue back then.
Diesel in those day had 5000+ PPM sulphur.
Low sulphur diesel has 50 PPM.
ULSD is under 5 PPM.
The IP and injectors your truck is running were designed in the days of 5000+ PPM sulphur, the sulphur was the lubrication.
I was a trucker 30 years ago, and yes we used a couple quarts of ATF to clean out the deposits. At the same time we also mixed gasoline with our diesel in the winter to keep from gelling up.
Today there are specialty products on the market that do a better job and cost less to use than the old ways.
Yes there are old timer running the road that that is all they have ever used, so they are probably still using it. When I was using ATF, it was like 40 cents a quart. We put in a quart per 50 gallons of fuel. I have no idea what ATF costs today, but I bet Diesel Kleen is cheaper than ATF.
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Originally Posted by slspokane
Anybody have any opinion of the NAPA diesel additive for low sulpher fuel? I have a gallon of it and have started using it in each tankful (only about 4 oz per tank).
Compared to Diesel Kleen at $15.20 a 96 ounce jug to treat 300 gallons, the Napa stuff looked too expensive to me - especially since it is an "unknown".
Think I'll stick with the better-known stuff - especially since it is cheaper....
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Hey everyone I dont know if there is a Tractor Supply in your area but if there is one you can get Diesel Kleen 96 oz both white and gray for under $12 I have been getting mine there for years check it out! 
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Originally Posted by roamer37
Hey everyone I dont know if there is a Tractor Supply in your area but if there is one you can get Diesel Kleen 96 oz both white and gray for under $12 I have been getting mine there for years check it out!
