Disappointed in Ford
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I found mine used setting on dealer lot with 9K on the ticker. To find a manual transmission is even more of a needle in the hay stack. My local dealer just traded an 03 Reg Cab 6.0L manual transmission with 120K on the meter....it lasted 2 days.....gone in a flash.
You gotta be quick on the decision when you find one......
You gotta be quick on the decision when you find one......
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Originally Posted by Turbo8
Hey Duffman77, I dont mean to bust your chops, but please tell me why you only want a 4+2 and not a 4+4 dont you guys get snow up there in the maple leaf country. Just wondering Be Safe @ have a Good Day. 
1) Its about $3700 (Cdn$) more for the option
2) Truck weighs more = slower accelleration, lower fuel economy, less payload
3) Front Diff & T Case = bearings to turn = less mpg again, more parts to do costly maintenance on and more components to fail.
The real answear is why do you really need it? When I was in university my winter beater was a 1965 Mercury 1/2 Ton (352 3spd manual, open diff) that I only ever got stuck once in the 4 winters I drove it. My dad had a 97 F150 4x2 again with open diff that he or I never got stuck either. Same for his GMC he got after, it had posi-track though. My 2007 does have limited slip and I am going to put a set of studded snow tires on it. With the $3700 less cost of tires, I can get a whole lot of tows if I get stuck. This winter will be the true test I guess. The thing I dont get is how did everybody get by 20 years ago when maybe 1 in 10 trucks were 4x4?
Edit: BTW if you dont believe me that thier is fuel savings, My cumlative avg for every KM I have on the truck is 23.3MPG (Can.) = 19.4MPG (U.S. Gal) and I am at 8000km=5000miles.
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as a masonry crew forman I used the extra seats to shuttle all the sorry a$$ losers that came to work for me and the truck got one heck of a workout pulling a 12000 lb forklift about once a week, so in my opinion my 4 door super duty was a work truck and a family truck it's all in how you take care of it.you just have to keep the funk smell and all the dust and dirt under controll for the ol lady 
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Ford produces what they will sell, just like has been said. I love it though because my not white reg cab 6 speed is the only one around, especially with the lift. Similarly, Everybody gets suckered into the diesel even though almost nobody needs it. I am not trying to start a gas vs. diesel debate here but for the majority of people, they buy the diesel because "its expensive so it must be better." Think about it, you can buy a lot of fuel for 5 grand and plus gas is cheaper right now, but people still buy the diesel cuz its "cooler" just like a crew cab.
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I worked as a salesman a short time at a local Ford dealer. We had two REGULAR CAB XL 2 wheel drive, manual transmission, Diesel, RED pickups on the lot. They were identical. Ford forced them on us as they forced 2 on each dealer in the district. This is a farming community by the way. One truck sold after it had been there nine months......the other was there for over a year. Ford offered a $1000 over and above commission for a sale of the latter truck. The dealer finally shipped it down to the local Subaru dealer as a used truck. WE started using it to run errands...it had about 1200 miles on it. Drove nice...but ...nobody wanted standard cab...manual,,,,diesel...2wd.
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Most 4x4 don't go into 4wd very often. My family lives in snow country. NOBODY every had a 4x4. Nobody every ran off the road or got stuck either. Everyone get around fine. THE 4X4s go faster around here. But the city folk drive em on ice...RIGHT INTO THE DITCH. NOTHING more dangerous than someone in a 4x4 who thinks a 4x4 has all the answers to driveing in the snow and ice. I LOVE my 4x4. never get stuck either. But damn...people are dumb around here with their new all wheel drive traction control miracle worker hight dollar SUV's..right into the ditch. First snow....you can count em by the dozen....IN the ditch.
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Myself I wouldn't buy a srw truck if it wasn't a 4wheeldrive hell you can't get out of most driveways. Some of the concrete driveways in the area are so steep you spin wheels with any signs of moisture. In the snow 4wheeldrive helps if you know what you are doing.
As for regular cab I prefer them you get a supercab you end up carrying more junk around. I also prefer a manual and I'am having a hell of a time trying to find a 99 or newer F-450 with with a 6spd most of them are automatics.
You guys in the East really don't know what wet west coast snow is about tires don't get any traction you spin your tires it turns to ice. It packs so hard the highways dept grader can't scrape it off the roads. Most of the time I can't get out of my driveway my truck is a 2wd F-450 even if I put 4000lbs on it.
As for regular cab I prefer them you get a supercab you end up carrying more junk around. I also prefer a manual and I'am having a hell of a time trying to find a 99 or newer F-450 with with a 6spd most of them are automatics.
You guys in the East really don't know what wet west coast snow is about tires don't get any traction you spin your tires it turns to ice. It packs so hard the highways dept grader can't scrape it off the roads. Most of the time I can't get out of my driveway my truck is a 2wd F-450 even if I put 4000lbs on it.
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