WorkHorse module
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WorkHorse module
Hi Guys, New to the forum but have been lurking around for a while. I was just wondering if anyone has tried the WorkHorse module for the Ford trucks. They claim nice MPG increase. I was just wondering if it is worth the money. I don’t care about the big HP increases that some of the programmers out there offer. I’m looking for better fuel economy. I was just wondering if anyone has tried it. Thanks
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Originally Posted by forrestpt
hey Mark
So its the same thing Dr proforamce . So is any good for MPG on the truck?
So its the same thing Dr proforamce . So is any good for MPG on the truck?
I run the 80hp Predator by Dr. Performance and highly recommend it for everyday driving and towing. I have seen as much as a 2.0 to 2.5 mpg increase. I have run this module now for 40,000 miles on my 2004. It does not circumvent factory fuel delivery (overfuel) and is a very easy on and off application that plugs inline with the ICP sensor and has a map sensor wire connection.
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50calmike Pass along the info
50calmike, if you would please pass along info on where you found this unit for $380.00 I would like to get one too. Thanks
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Originally Posted by 50calmike
Basscat how does your tranny seem to work with this mod been thinking about the same one? Found the 80 hp for $380 good deal from everywhere else I looked.
1. 0-90 at 1/4 throttle increase
2. 0-90 at half throttle increase
3. 0-90 to the floor
The module memorizes (learns) the transmission shift points. Once this has been done it can be removed and reinstalled at any time without ever having to learn the shift points again.
I would suggest that you purchase a new Predator (Dr. Performance) not the WorkHorse. Find the newest version module even if you have to pay more for it. There are some dealers that still have some early generation modules that had a problem with the ICP connector plug coming undone. They have made improvement in the 04-07 modules. I do not believe there is an easier installation module on the market for the 2004-2007 6.0. It is not by any means the fastest performance module out there but I can assure you it will impress the hell out of you with the additional torque and HP it provides.
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FYI All, I was running a Dr. Performance Predator in my 2004 6.0. It was the Stage II part # 3013 and LOVED the performance. However, I just had my tranny rebuilt (52,000 miles) as it started having some pretty "mushy" shifts. Problem was between 3 and 4th gear "main". I drove it pretty "safely" - of course I did get into it sometimes! - and towed a 6000 boat 5 or 6 times a year. Sent an email to Dr. Performance 1st. week of October asking their opinion (had the tranny and converter upgraded with best parts I could find) if the Predator could be the cause (no blame, just a question). Never received a reply. Bottom line is I am not going to run it again until I get a response from Dr. Just my 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by Excursionator
FYI All, I was running a Dr. Performance Predator in my 2004 6.0. It was the Stage II part # 3013 and LOVED the performance. However, I just had my tranny rebuilt (52,000 miles) as it started having some pretty "mushy" shifts. Problem was between 3 and 4th gear "main". I drove it pretty "safely" - of course I did get into it sometimes! - and towed a 6000 boat 5 or 6 times a year. Sent an email to Dr. Performance 1st. week of October asking their opinion (had the tranny and converter upgraded with best parts I could find) if the Predator could be the cause (no blame, just a question). Never received a reply. Bottom line is I am not going to run it again until I get a response from Dr. Just my 2 cents.
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BassCat,
Ok I guess I am a little dense today, please explain how I answered my own question??
Your statement here:
"It does not circumvent factory fuel delivery (overfuel) and is a very easy on and off application that plugs inline with the ICP sensor and has a map sensor wire connection."
To me that statement claims that the DR Performance product doesn't beat, or go around, or (overfuel) the factory Ford fuel delivery system specs. Yet you plug it into the fuel system only thru the ICP sensor and the MAP. Your statement seems to say in my opinion that you are not changing the fueling and it is stock. That would be imnpossible as then the HP claims would not be true because the HP would still be stock too?? My knowledge of the Workhorse or Dr. Performance module is it is tricking the ICP sensor to provide a much higher fuel pressure and resulting in a larger fuel charge for the combustion process. It doesn't change timing of the injection cycle directly and doesn't change duration directly like the majority of programmers and out board boxes do. Because of that it's a simple pressure fooler that tends to run the rail pressures pretty high from what I have seen in the past. At one time their web site even said there would be NO increase in EGT and that gauges (specifically a pyro)were not required at all as well. Very risky and bold statements in my opinion on any product that makes 80 HP. You can take a stock truck and 10,000 lbs and a good incline and make 1300 degrees pre turbo, much less not change duration and timing and just increasing fuel pressure to a point to make 80 HP and the EGT's will go up, dangerously up.
Let me know what you know, last time I thought I knew everything I was wrong, and much younger too, I'm ready to learn what you know!!
Mark @ DPPI
Ok I guess I am a little dense today, please explain how I answered my own question??
Your statement here:
"It does not circumvent factory fuel delivery (overfuel) and is a very easy on and off application that plugs inline with the ICP sensor and has a map sensor wire connection."
To me that statement claims that the DR Performance product doesn't beat, or go around, or (overfuel) the factory Ford fuel delivery system specs. Yet you plug it into the fuel system only thru the ICP sensor and the MAP. Your statement seems to say in my opinion that you are not changing the fueling and it is stock. That would be imnpossible as then the HP claims would not be true because the HP would still be stock too?? My knowledge of the Workhorse or Dr. Performance module is it is tricking the ICP sensor to provide a much higher fuel pressure and resulting in a larger fuel charge for the combustion process. It doesn't change timing of the injection cycle directly and doesn't change duration directly like the majority of programmers and out board boxes do. Because of that it's a simple pressure fooler that tends to run the rail pressures pretty high from what I have seen in the past. At one time their web site even said there would be NO increase in EGT and that gauges (specifically a pyro)were not required at all as well. Very risky and bold statements in my opinion on any product that makes 80 HP. You can take a stock truck and 10,000 lbs and a good incline and make 1300 degrees pre turbo, much less not change duration and timing and just increasing fuel pressure to a point to make 80 HP and the EGT's will go up, dangerously up.
Let me know what you know, last time I thought I knew everything I was wrong, and much younger too, I'm ready to learn what you know!!
Mark @ DPPI
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Originally Posted by Mark at DPPI
BassCat,
Ok I guess I am a little dense today, please explain how I answered my own question?? (since the "module" plugs at the ICP between the ECM and the injectors it is impossible for it to reprogram the factory fuel delivery. It is a inline device not a programmer)
Your statement here:
"It does not circumvent factory fuel delivery (overfuel) and is a very easy on and off application that plugs inline with the ICP sensor and has a map sensor wire connection." (this is a FACT I stand by)
To me that statement claims that the DR Performance product doesn't beat, or go around, or (overfuel) the factory Ford fuel delivery system specs. Yet you plug it into the fuel system only thru the ICP sensor and the MAP. (it is a in-line device Mark plugged directly in at the ICP (Injection Control Pressure Sensor) plug as I stated and it does NOT OVERFUEL or reprogram the factory ECM settings)
Your statement seems to say in my opinion that you are not changing the fueling and it is stock. (that is exactly what I am saying. The factory fuel setting(s) remain stock, the module uses the factory fuel programming to the FICM)
That would be imnpossible as then the HP claims would not be true because the HP would still be stock too?? My knowledge of the Workhorse or Dr. Performance module is it is tricking the ICP sensor to provide a much higher fuel pressure and resulting in a larger fuel charge for the combustion process. (I believe you are close to correct other than the tricking part. It intentionally raises fuel rail pressure to create a microscopic fuel plume with better fuel / air ratio to the injectors allowing more efficient combustion to take place in each cylinder. In other words the fuel plume is more enriched with oxygen than factory fuel delivery because it requires less fuel at a higher injector pressure for combustion. Note I said oxygen not air. More oxygen molecules (density) create(s) a better combustion efficiency. Diesel fuel burns more like the peeling of an onion)
It doesn't change timing of the injection cycle directly and doesn't change duration directly like the majority of programmers and out board boxes do. Because of that it's a simple pressure fooler that tends to run the rail pressures pretty high from what I have seen in the past. (you need to be more specific. Max fuel pressure I believe is around 26,000 psi for these injectors. Predators module does not get within 2000 psi of the maximum injector psi range). At one time their web site even said there would be NO increase in EGT and that gauges (specifically a pyro)were not required at all as well. Very risky and bold statements in my opinion on any product that makes 80 HP. (My experience with the module has been a reduction in EGT verses STOCK EGT telling me that the module does what it says as advertised) You can take a stock truck and 10,000 lbs and a good incline and make 1300 degrees pre turbo, much less not change duration and timing and just increasing fuel pressure to a point to make 80 HP and the EGT's will go up, dangerously up.
Let me know what you know, last time I thought I knew everything I was wrong, and much younger too, I'm ready to learn what you know!!
Mark @ DPPI
Ok I guess I am a little dense today, please explain how I answered my own question?? (since the "module" plugs at the ICP between the ECM and the injectors it is impossible for it to reprogram the factory fuel delivery. It is a inline device not a programmer)
Your statement here:
"It does not circumvent factory fuel delivery (overfuel) and is a very easy on and off application that plugs inline with the ICP sensor and has a map sensor wire connection." (this is a FACT I stand by)
To me that statement claims that the DR Performance product doesn't beat, or go around, or (overfuel) the factory Ford fuel delivery system specs. Yet you plug it into the fuel system only thru the ICP sensor and the MAP. (it is a in-line device Mark plugged directly in at the ICP (Injection Control Pressure Sensor) plug as I stated and it does NOT OVERFUEL or reprogram the factory ECM settings)
Your statement seems to say in my opinion that you are not changing the fueling and it is stock. (that is exactly what I am saying. The factory fuel setting(s) remain stock, the module uses the factory fuel programming to the FICM)
That would be imnpossible as then the HP claims would not be true because the HP would still be stock too?? My knowledge of the Workhorse or Dr. Performance module is it is tricking the ICP sensor to provide a much higher fuel pressure and resulting in a larger fuel charge for the combustion process. (I believe you are close to correct other than the tricking part. It intentionally raises fuel rail pressure to create a microscopic fuel plume with better fuel / air ratio to the injectors allowing more efficient combustion to take place in each cylinder. In other words the fuel plume is more enriched with oxygen than factory fuel delivery because it requires less fuel at a higher injector pressure for combustion. Note I said oxygen not air. More oxygen molecules (density) create(s) a better combustion efficiency. Diesel fuel burns more like the peeling of an onion)
It doesn't change timing of the injection cycle directly and doesn't change duration directly like the majority of programmers and out board boxes do. Because of that it's a simple pressure fooler that tends to run the rail pressures pretty high from what I have seen in the past. (you need to be more specific. Max fuel pressure I believe is around 26,000 psi for these injectors. Predators module does not get within 2000 psi of the maximum injector psi range). At one time their web site even said there would be NO increase in EGT and that gauges (specifically a pyro)were not required at all as well. Very risky and bold statements in my opinion on any product that makes 80 HP. (My experience with the module has been a reduction in EGT verses STOCK EGT telling me that the module does what it says as advertised) You can take a stock truck and 10,000 lbs and a good incline and make 1300 degrees pre turbo, much less not change duration and timing and just increasing fuel pressure to a point to make 80 HP and the EGT's will go up, dangerously up.
Let me know what you know, last time I thought I knew everything I was wrong, and much younger too, I'm ready to learn what you know!!
Mark @ DPPI
Now that we have discussed my favorite performance module tell me, what is your favorite performance programmer or module that you recommend and why?
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Basscat,
Are you seeing a reduced egt while towing, empty or both? I could understand the empty egt's being lower. Better fuel mix=more power=less throttle=less fuel burned =lower EGT and better fuel mileage. When towing a grade I don't see how the egt's would be lower. Maybe the same but not lower. Please give me your feedback from what you have seen. Where is your pyrometer probe mounted?
Mark,
Do you feel 1300 degrees is hot for a 6.0? I have heard from several people that the 6.0 can take a ton of heat. Their reason was that the turbo will alter pitch and dump heat under extreme pressure/heat. From my understanding you can't cook them with egt (within reason) but excessive cylinder pressure is the killer. The cylinder pressures usually shows as elevated cooling temp or so I'm told. Basically they say watch the engine temp gauge. If you see it climbing get out of the throttle some. What do you think?
I would like to hear anyones opinion on this topic. I know, from what I have seen, that it makes some sense. I don't agree enough to chance it in practice.
Mark,
You seem to have a little anger toward the power module in question. Is there a reason for that? Have you had some bad experience we should know about?
Not jabbing anyone just wanting some insight. My apology for being slightly off topic.
one4
Are you seeing a reduced egt while towing, empty or both? I could understand the empty egt's being lower. Better fuel mix=more power=less throttle=less fuel burned =lower EGT and better fuel mileage. When towing a grade I don't see how the egt's would be lower. Maybe the same but not lower. Please give me your feedback from what you have seen. Where is your pyrometer probe mounted?
Mark,
Do you feel 1300 degrees is hot for a 6.0? I have heard from several people that the 6.0 can take a ton of heat. Their reason was that the turbo will alter pitch and dump heat under extreme pressure/heat. From my understanding you can't cook them with egt (within reason) but excessive cylinder pressure is the killer. The cylinder pressures usually shows as elevated cooling temp or so I'm told. Basically they say watch the engine temp gauge. If you see it climbing get out of the throttle some. What do you think?
I would like to hear anyones opinion on this topic. I know, from what I have seen, that it makes some sense. I don't agree enough to chance it in practice.
Mark,
You seem to have a little anger toward the power module in question. Is there a reason for that? Have you had some bad experience we should know about?
Not jabbing anyone just wanting some insight. My apology for being slightly off topic.
one4