Plumbing question
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Plumbing question
Figured someone out there might have an Idea of whats going on in my bathroom.
I have a guest bathroom and the shower has not been used in years. It has a Simmons Temptrole single turn and pull faucet. THe problem is that hot water does not come out. The hot water pipe(The part I can get to) is worm to the touch so I beleve hot water is getting to the faucet. The 2 sinks and washing machine in the same bathroom get hot water. Also, cold water comes out just fine and as you go hotter on the faucet the water flow lessens because there is no hot water coming through it.
My main question is: Is this simply a bad faucet or somthing more? If bad can the faucet be repaired or just replace it?
I have a guest bathroom and the shower has not been used in years. It has a Simmons Temptrole single turn and pull faucet. THe problem is that hot water does not come out. The hot water pipe(The part I can get to) is worm to the touch so I beleve hot water is getting to the faucet. The 2 sinks and washing machine in the same bathroom get hot water. Also, cold water comes out just fine and as you go hotter on the faucet the water flow lessens because there is no hot water coming through it.
My main question is: Is this simply a bad faucet or somthing more? If bad can the faucet be repaired or just replace it?
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Huh??????
Its a single twist handle and I've turned it all the way up and cold water trickled out of the shower head.
We do have a lot of iron and maganise in our water so rust could be an issue inside somewhere.
Its a single twist handle and I've turned it all the way up and cold water trickled out of the shower head.
We do have a lot of iron and maganise in our water so rust could be an issue inside somewhere.
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There is a valve that the handle connects to that is called either a blender valve or a mixer valve. As you rotate the handle, a gate opens or closes in the valve body accordingly.
It sounds like the mixer valve is corroded ("... hasn't been used in years.") with rust, dirt, sand, etc. and needs replaced. Unfortunately, the mixer valve design is specific to the assembly and in order to replace the valve, you need to find the identical faucet assembly or replace the entire unit.
It sounds like the mixer valve is corroded ("... hasn't been used in years.") with rust, dirt, sand, etc. and needs replaced. Unfortunately, the mixer valve design is specific to the assembly and in order to replace the valve, you need to find the identical faucet assembly or replace the entire unit.
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I knew what you said & meant.
When you pull the faucet it turns thew water on.,
all the way left is hot & all the way right is cold.
Most people shower at about 1/4 turn left which allows the HOT & COLD water to BLEND together to give the appropriate temperature the one showering ... requires.
In your case, the blend function is NOT working properly.
My HOT test I referred to was to turn the faucet to the various HOT side positions to see if the water blends Warmer/Hotter or not.
ie:
1/8 turn to left
1/4 turn to left
3/8 turn to left
1/2 turn to left
max turn to left
When you pull the faucet it turns thew water on.,
all the way left is hot & all the way right is cold.
Most people shower at about 1/4 turn left which allows the HOT & COLD water to BLEND together to give the appropriate temperature the one showering ... requires.
In your case, the blend function is NOT working properly.
My HOT test I referred to was to turn the faucet to the various HOT side positions to see if the water blends Warmer/Hotter or not.
ie:
1/8 turn to left
1/4 turn to left
3/8 turn to left
1/2 turn to left
max turn to left
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The handle twists around not quite a full 180 degrees. I did torn it and stopp it at random points and it never felt like it got wormer than the 52 degrees it comes out of well at.
I guess I will go and look for a whole new faucet. Its a simmons and common but with my luck the internals have changed and I probably can't get parts for the 20 year old faucet that looks like it just came out of the factory packaging
I guess I will go and look for a whole new faucet. Its a simmons and common but with my luck the internals have changed and I probably can't get parts for the 20 year old faucet that looks like it just came out of the factory packaging
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So, before you do all that. Did you turn off the electricity, turn off the water to the house, turn on the hot and cold water in the bath to drain the line, remove the handle to the mixer valve, disconnect the shower and the water inlet lines to the mixer valve, remove the mixer valve and inspect the mixer to make sure it is bad and not full of rust?
If it has rust in it, it's possible that the water lines going to the mixer are bad.
If it has rust in it, it's possible that the water lines going to the mixer are bad.
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Originally Posted by 7283-F250
The handle twists around not quite a full 180 degrees. I did torn it and stopp it at random points and it never felt like it got wormer than the 52 degrees it comes out of well at...
I had to cut a hole in the wall to get to the bathtub plumbing. Just in case I have to work on it again before I die, I left it open and just put an access door in the wall.
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well the symmons shower hasnt changed internally in quite a few years. replacement parts are available at home depot (at least here in the northeast) try taking it apart and replacing the mixing valve, these valves are pressure balancing and have a spring unit on the inside which is probably corroded, they restrict the hot water flow so you cant get scalded. if you need any more help with it just pm me.
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Originally Posted by lcampbell
So, before you do all that. Did you turn off the electricity, turn off the water to the house, turn on the hot and cold water in the bath to drain the line, remove the handle to the mixer valve, disconnect the shower and the water inlet lines to the mixer valve, remove the mixer valve and inspect the mixer to make sure it is bad and not full of rust?
of course I haven't done that yet....
I was just planning on turning off the valves going to the bathroom so I can still use water in the rest of the house.
House is only about 20 years old and has copper lines. Part of the line is exposed (not behind a wall) and its hot to the touch. Only about 2-3 feet are in the wall (the distance from the rear of the shower to the faucet).
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On some shower control handles they have an adjustment for the amount of hot water that can flow to the outlet (shower head etc.). Most hotel/motels have these and adjust them so you cannot get burned from too much hot water. If yours has this type of control it may have been adjusted very low and may have a little trash in it. The adjustment is behind the handle on mine and can be a small lever or just the position of the handle when it is installed. Adjusting this (if you have it) for a little more volume may cure the problem.
I am not a plumber and this is the extent of my knowledge of shower faucets, a plumber or more experienced do it yourselfer may be able to add to or better inform you.
Good luck.
I am not a plumber and this is the extent of my knowledge of shower faucets, a plumber or more experienced do it yourselfer may be able to add to or better inform you.
Good luck.
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I would think from his the shower faucet had worked optimally for 20 years and only lately has he had a problem.
I can't see it coming OUT of adjustment after that length of time if it even has an anti-scalding control.
I don't think these valves have a factory set for a maximum HOT water setting adjustment, like a Hotel/Motel may have.I know at a Hotel I can turn it to maximum Hot to shower comfortably.
I still think it's a build-up of mineral or a now faulty blending valve from being installed for so long.
I can't see it coming OUT of adjustment after that length of time if it even has an anti-scalding control.
I don't think these valves have a factory set for a maximum HOT water setting adjustment, like a Hotel/Motel may have.I know at a Hotel I can turn it to maximum Hot to shower comfortably.
I still think it's a build-up of mineral or a now faulty blending valve from being installed for so long.
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Thank you all for all the Info so far. This board is great and I am so glad I have found it. You guys know everything... and I mean on anything.....
Found out the water is controlled at the hot water tank (valve for hot and cold are there) so I have to wate till I get a free weekend and turn off all water to the house.
Shower has not been used in at least 4-5 years but worked fine before that as far as I know/remember.
Found out the water is controlled at the hot water tank (valve for hot and cold are there) so I have to wate till I get a free weekend and turn off all water to the house.
Shower has not been used in at least 4-5 years but worked fine before that as far as I know/remember.
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yeah i would recommend sweating in some ball valve's in your plumbing so you can section off the house when you need to work on something. like i said before the pressure balancing valve is more than likely corroded and frozen and wont let hot water through. its basically the only part in the faucet. it comes out as one unit and the new one will just screw right in.
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If you have super hard water, the valve may be unrepairable...I'd just go with a new one (never heard of Simmons, by the way, Delta & Moen are the "old reliables"). And, yes, put some shutoff valves in while you're at it.
Worth mentioning here that many of the new shower valves (like in most hotels) do not control the flow separate from hot/cold adjustment...this seems to me to be a terrible waste of water. When buying one, I always make sure you can set the temp by twisting & control the flow by pulling out/pushing in.
Worth mentioning here that many of the new shower valves (like in most hotels) do not control the flow separate from hot/cold adjustment...this seems to me to be a terrible waste of water. When buying one, I always make sure you can set the temp by twisting & control the flow by pulling out/pushing in.
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