Could some run the follow specs for me on a desktop dyno, also its a 1987 460. Sorry for it looking do mess up i didnt know what info you needed so i coped and past most of it. Thanks for the help Michael

-eldelbrock 750 cfm

-Hooker Super Competition Headers, <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Primary Tube Diameter (in):</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">2 in.</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Collector Diameter (in):</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">3.500 in.</td></tr></tbody> </table>

-Scorpion Performance,Aluminum Roller Rocker Arms,
<table style="border-collapse: collapse;" border="1" bordercolor="#111111" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr><td align="center">1.73</td> <td align="center">7/16"</td></tr></tbody> </table>
-Weiand Stealth Intake Manifolds,

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Engine Block Style:</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">Stock/OEM standard deck</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Carburetor Quantity:</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">Single</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Intake Style:</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">Dual plane</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Basic Operating RPM Range:</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">Idle-6,800 RPM</td></tr></tbody> </table>

-Comp Cams Exterme Engery 4X4, Hydraulic flat tappet, 1,600-5,800 RPM, Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift: 226,
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift:</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">234</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Duration at 050 inch Lift:</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">226 int./234 exh.</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Advertised Intake Duration:</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">270</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Advertised Exhaust Duration:</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">278</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Advertised Duration:</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">270 int./278 exh.</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio:</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">0.554 in.</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio:</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">0.574 in.</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#f5f5f5'; " onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'"> <td class="overview-c1" width="25%">Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio:</td> <td class="overview-c2" width="75%">0.554 int./0.574 exh. lift
</td></tr></tbody> </table>

 

Your running the same cam I just trashed. With all of my info for my engine .030 over and .010 piston to deck height it is 504 HP @ 5500 rpm and 539 tq @ 4000 rpm. I need your piston to deck, type of pistons with what cc's, valve sizes, gasket bore and compressed height to compute your compression ratio and flows.

 

AS far as i know everthing is stock besides the heads. It either has be ported or has vavle work done.

 

Factory heads? If so what is the casting #? I need the cc's of the chamber.

 

Running a set of stock D3VE's with a 92 cc chamber gives you 460 ft-lbs of torque from 2000-4000 rpm. TQ then drops like a rock after 4000 rpm. The max hp is 368 at 4500 rpm then drops off at 5500.

 

Head # is D3VE-A2A

Aslo can u factor ignition? If so let me know and i will give you specs on that.

 

Is there a better cam or intake manifold you guys would reccomed? My truck is used for 4x4, 44 inch tires, im trying to get 500hp without boring out the engine, or heads do i dont have that tpye of money. So is it possable to get 500hp with carb,intake manifold, rocker arms, headers, and all MSD ignition on 92 octane gas?

Thanks
Michael

 

A fast answer is NO!

You can get to 500 if you replace the pistons in your engine. You don't have to bore or stroke it. The stock pistons have a huge dish in them. You could probably get away with a $1000 rebuild or less if your willing to do 80% of the build yourself. That $1000 will go towards all the gaskets, bearings, pistons, freeze plugs, and fasteners. Your stock rods will need to be gone over as well as the crank. Bringing up the compression to 9.5 or so will net you some ground on the 500 mark.

I am running a set of D3VE's with 2.19 intake / 1.76 exhaust valves, 3 angle valve seats, milled .020, machined for screw in rocker studs, bronze guides, teflon valve seals, self ported with the air injection bumps ground flat, self polished chambers, and gasket matched to the Stealth intake. Now will all that said I could have bought a new set of aluminum heads for the price of all the machine work. You don't need to do all of that but I would suggest doing the port, chamber, and air injection bump work yourself. The injection bumps restrict the heads a ton. Before I couldn't stick my pinky through the port now I can get my thumb sideways and still have some room. There are stock rocker perch conversions available to put roller rockers on. They aren't the strongest but they will do. Finally with all that said, buy a set of stock 69 or 70 heads. They have all the stuff you want without blowing your budget to kingdom come.

For the block I would suggest mocking the block yourself to see how badly the factory boogered the deck. Mocking the deck involves putting pistons in all 4 corners and measuring how far down the pistons are compared to the block deck. Mine was horrible, the pass front was .047, back pass was .029, driver side front was .033 and the driver back was .048. I had different compressions for all the cylinders. Not to mention the intake ports didn't match the heads that well. Checking this at home before you take it in will allow you tell them you need it or not. Again not a huge issue but does make a difference in the long run. Ditch the bolts for studs, they are way stronger. Remember that spending the money on the block now will pay off later when you have the cash to get those long sought after blue thunder heads you've always wanted.

 

You talked about heads. I have a mid 1960's lincolin 462 and i was wondering if the heads off that would work? Cuz i know tht year had like 340hp stock and even more tq. The head will get the head # later today when i get back from work.

Aslo i went on to summit racing, which pistion is better? Click here

And if im going to be getting new pistions might as well get either my D3VE heads machined(about how much does that cost?) or even the 462 heads if they will fit unless they already have enough flow for what i need what do you think?



Thanks for all the help
Michael

 

The head # on the lincolin 462 is C6VE

Thanks
Michael

 

The 462 is a completely different engine all together. That and the 431 share the same fate. The heads are angle milled to change the compression. I almost bought one 4 years ago until I was schooled.

I tried to use the link you posted. Comes up empty with compare option. I bought my pistons from maddog on Ebay. Speed Pro hyper cast coated flat tops with valve reliefs in them. Ran me $250 if I remember right. Ok they are a tad more these days.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Speed...spagenameZWDVW

 

So are you saying if i get new pistions,cam,intake manifold,headers,carb,msd igintion,rocker arms i should be vary close to 500hp? Also how much does it fost to get heads mechained? And do i need to pick a manifold or cam that has a different rpm range so it wont just drop like a rock?


Thanks
Michael

 

[QUOTE=lilpro]So are you saying if i get new pistions,cam,intake manifold,headers,carb,msd igintion,rocker arms i should be vary close to 500hp? Also how much does it cost to get heads mechained? And do i need to pick a manifold or cam that has a different rpm range so it wont just drop like a rock? And if i get new pistions do i need to get anything eles for them? Do they come with pistion rings? Also on the ebay link you sent me the maddog company says when you buy it you must tell them what size is needed, is that just for if the block as been bored? Sorry for all the dumb questions but im 17 and trying to learn


Thanks for all the tons of help!!
Michael

 

Well how about we start with getting your engine knowledge built up before you even invest in any engine parts. If you have a Waldens, Barnes and Noble, Books a million, Library, or even the internet. Do some research on engine building. Doesn't matter what brand or even engine type. A lawn mower has the same principles. Here are a few books to concider...

How to Build Horsepower, Vol. 1 by David Vizard, Larry Atherton

Engine Builder's Handbook: A Complete Guide to Professional Blueprinting and Assembly Techniques by Tom Monroe

Ford Performance: Includes All Modern Ford Performance Engines by Pat Ganahl, Larry Schrieb

Max Performance Ford V-8s on a Budget by George Reid

Anyone of these books will give you some answers to any questions you have concerning building an engine. As for the piston link I sent you, they come with the rings and pins. When you buy them Maddog needs to know if you have an overbore and how much to fit them corectly.

Now with all the parts you listed in your first post, you will be able to break the 500 mark. The only part I would leave out for now would be the MSD ignition. The system is an add on that wont cost you anything more then the time to install it. I think there are a few people that will agree that an MSD ignition is not needed to get you going. A stock Ford dura spark system is all that is needed to get the motor running down the road. If you need one let me know I have my old one sitting in a box in my garage taking up space. You can have it for $50 and shipping. I think it needs a new gear but then again I think I am a perfectionist.

The head work will vary depending on where you live. Best info I can give is to call a few machine shops and see what they all charge for different services. A good one will listen to what you are trying to achieve and ask what your block build and cam you have in mind.

 

heck i looked at your location your in WA, you've got possibly the best ford iron head porter in the country in tacoma give scotty a call he'll set you straight on what you need .without porting your heads you wont even be close to 500.here's scotties number 253-988-6648. tell'em richard sent ya