Right!!............so wouldn't the statement that the military Humvees are a POS because JD Powers gave a low score on H1's, H2's and H3's be kinda ignorant??


Furthermore, I'd bet a lot of those reported problems per vehicle concerning Hummers include equipment not even on the military version.....PW/PDL/cruise/on-star/DVD entertainment equipment etc...

 

Just to make sure we're on the same page here!

[QUOTE] Originally Posted by osbornk
You just have to remember that a vehicle built to military standards will be different than the one you find at your local dealer.[QUOTE]

So, what are you saying here!?!

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Fordsflylow
If that's the case, and if one buys the jd power's 2006 vehicle durability results, then the hummers the armed services personnel are stuck using are real pos after all.[QUOTE]


Followed by this [QUOTE by DOHCMarauder] Please post a link, otherwise it just sounds like you're talking out of your fecal depositor...........you know the difference between an H1 and H2???[QUOTE]

Then this "...Civilian Hummers also include H2's and H3's.......which is what that vague JD Powers report includes. (It just states "Hummer" and doesn't break down models)..."

Does it really matter? A hummer 1, 2 or three is a hummer yes/no!?!

I posted the linky/thread, you didn't like it, and have gone off on a tangent that is going against what you originally stated.

So, where you taking this?

 

Even if the civilian H-1 and the Military version were the same (which they are not), the JD Powers survey would be totally meaningless when considering the military version's quality. The H-1 is very rare and is bought by those people with the means (mainly movie stars & Pro athletes) and desire to own them. Can you picture anyone who owns one completing a JD Powers survey (or any other kind)? There will be very few (if any) H-1s represented in the survey.

 

First off, I don't rely much on consumer reporting agency's, no matter the medium. They're good for a laugh, but that's about it! I originally posted it for chits and giggles and now you seem upset over it/them!

Seein as you want to dispute the numbers, I'll bite! Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury are all above the "industry standard" set by jd power's in this study, which is 227 "problems per 100 vehicles."

Chevy, gmc, pontiac, isuzu, saturn, and hummer are all "below" the standard's set by jd powers, with hummer being the worst at 307 problems per 100 vehicles and that would be 3.02 problems per vehicle if evenly distributed. Yes/no? That would be real close to one more problem per "hummer" than Ford's "many models" under the Ford banner.

IMO Yah, that would equate to a pos in my book, but to each their own! Does that make gmc the 2nd coming in your book?

 

Bet all you want, it's pure speculation on your part!

 

Don't the military versions even get a different motor? Not even turbo'd/mechanical injection?

I haven't kept up, but it is a pretty different machine than the civilian H1, even when the bells & whistes are thrown out of the equation. I'm sure someone can shed more light on this.

 

Well, I finally get the chance to say in this forum that I bought an H3 a month before coming over here. I must say that the thing is a blast to drive, it is incredibly capable offroad, gets about 20mpg on road trips (70+ w/ ac running) and, yes, it has a few glitches. Namely, the computer module. My wife had to take it back to the dealer for the second time since we bought it in May. They replaced the module this tiime around. The I5 doesn't have great horsepower, but it does what I wanted it to. Overall, I don't think it is worth the price- even at $30g. I will, however, be keeping it and driving it for many years, simplybecause it will be many years before I can afford to trade it. So, I figure, might as well enjoy it to the max.

I still have the F150, though. In fact, I plan on using soome of the extra money I make over here to make a couple of mods to it.

 

[QUOTE=Fordsflylow]Just to make sure we're on the same page here!

[QUOTE] Originally Posted by osbornk
You just have to remember that a vehicle built to military standards will be different than the one you find at your local dealer.[QUOTE]



So, what are you saying here!?!

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Fordsflylow
If that's the case, and if one buys the jd power's 2006 vehicle durability results, then the hummers the armed services personnel are stuck using are real pos after all.[QUOTE]


Followed by this [QUOTE by DOHCMarauder] Please post a link, otherwise it just sounds like you're talking out of your fecal depositor...........you know the difference between an H1 and H2???
I'm not sure why I even try...........your lack of knowledge concerning vehicles may be too difficult to overcome.

First off, I don't even care about GM or especially Hummers but I will try to enlighten you.

The original Humvee that the military uses had the GM powertrain (both 6.5 turbo and non-turbo diesels)and little else that was GM.....I believe the company was AM General (no relation to GM)

Just recently, GM has installed the Duramax in the civilian H1....not sure on the military version


AM General then created a civilian version called the H1.......basically the military humvee with DOT safety and EPA emission compliance.

At some point, GM purchased AM General (or maybe just the rights to the Hummer brand...I'm not positive)

GM then rebadges the Suburban with some hideous bodywork and calls it the Hummer H2........a few years later they re-body the Chevy Colorado and it becomes the H3.

So to answer your question.......while GM can call anything they want a Hummer, an H2 and H3 are just rebadged and different body worked Chevies.


I've never gone against what I originally stated........The facts remain: unless you can show a report on the H1 or more specifically the military Humvee, the JD Powers report is vague at best........It's a compilation(sp?) of 3 models of which 2 make up 95+% of the total sales.


I find it comical that you "don't rely much on consumer reporting agency's, no matter the medium"..................but if it favors Ford you're all over it..

 

You're right...........the military Humvees have 6 disc changers, DVD, power windows and leather seats.

 

My son's best friend is in Afghanastan(sp?) as a Humvee mechanic in the Army.

When on leave, he's told me they have both the old non-turbo and newer turbo diesels....as far as injection and the like, I'll have my son e-mail him or hopefully he's supposed to be home next month.


I do know the military Humvees cannot be sold and made street legal like they used to do with the old surplus jeeps....and before the peanut gallery chimes in, it needs to be said a Humvee was designed and built first and foremost as an off-road military vehicle....the later civilian versions (H-1) had all the necessary DOT and EPA compliance.

 

No they aren't.

The military version still uses the old diesel with the old 4 speed (or even 3speed, I can't recall) Auto.

The H1 Alpha (the civilian version) uses the Allison transmission.


GM doesn't own AM General, they just have bought the rights to sell under the brand name "Hummer".

 

Yep, when I see a study that has Ford listed as better than its competitors, as rare as they are, I will be on it like white on rice. You can bet on that!!

So, do you come around here to attempt to dispell the belief or proof that Ford's are better. here on a Ford site for fun, or is it some kind of a mission?

 

Kinda lost me on that first line...........That the Duramax is NOT in the current H1????.......or????


Thanks on the clarification on the Hummer name........the deal also included the H1 which was NOT originally a GM product.

 

I think the better question would be just because it has a blue oval on it, you think it's the best???

I'll save my next movement for you and put a Ford sticker on it.........you can have it for cheap.


And please check my signature before opening your cake hole........I think you'll see where my loyalties lean towards..

I'm just ignorant enough to believe everything that Ford makes is the best just because.

In fact, I personally think Ford is in a horrible slump and am hoping they snap out of it soon.

 

Its not in the military version.

It is in the civilian version - as the old diesel couldn't pass emissions.