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Old Nov 10, 2002 | 08:03 AM
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 10-Nov-02 AT 09:29 AM (EST)](Picked up from a previous thread Wow, the statement that '65 was the first year for the 390 in trucks is interesting. I've only got a few sources, but they all indicate '68 was the first year.
I have the Ford dealer's parts books for trucks '57 up to '72, and the vehicle ID sections all indicate '68 as the first year for the 390 in the trucks. (These books are complete up to '68 inclusive. I have some of the books up to '72, but many of the '69 to '72 sections are missing.)
My '65 to '82 Chiltons only shows the 390 as starting in '68 (which might be invalid. Chilton's used the Ford parts books for their sources, so if one the first is wrong, the second is wrong also)
I also have an original paperback set of Ford Truck Shop Manuals for '66 and they show no 390 for '66. 391, yes, but no 390. (First printing, published April 1966)
Finally, I have the booklet "Shop Tips" for identifying features on all Fords 61 - 67, published October 1967.
Please let me insert a comment here. The written word often doesn't convey emotions and attitudes, or, unintentionally allows non-existent attitudes to appear. I'd like to reassure all who read this that I am researching a valid point, not acting in a combative manner. If somehow, my written words do convey that I am trying to prove a point, I apologize in advance, for that certainly is not my intent. I am simply and sincerely providing the information I have, and identifying my sources in an attempt to verify their authenticity.

Here's what I have:

From the Dealer's Parts Books:
'65
A - 8 2v 330 MD (gasoline)
B - 6 1v 300 (LD 100/500, HD 500 up)
D - 8 2v 352
G - 8 2v 401
H - 8 2v 477
J - 6 1v 240
K - 8 2v 361
M - 8 2v 330 HD
P - 8 4v 401
Q - 8 4v 477
R - 8 4v 534
T - 6 1v 170
9 - 8 4v 391
The Shop Tips agrees in every respect. Chilton's only shows an "E" code engine as a ?v 361, an "F" as a ?v 391, and the "D" as a ?v 352. They DON'T show any of the sixes being available. I think they messed up for '65.

'66, and '67 from the Dealers' Parts Book again: (Note: All engine codes for '66 and '67 are identical.)
A - 6 1v 240
B - 6 1v 300 LD 100/500 HD 500 up
C - 8 2v 330 MD (gasoline)
D - 8 2v 330 HD (gasoline)
E - 8 2v 361 HD
F - 8 4v 391
F - 6 1v 170 (yes, that's correct)
G - 8 2v 401 SD ('66 only)
H - 8 4v 401 SD
J - 8 2v 477 SD ("66 only)
K - 8 4V 477 SD
L - 8 4V 534 SD
Y - 8 2V 352
The Shop Tips booklet agrees perfectly; Chiltons is off again and incomplete. The '66 Shop Manual agrees in every respect, but includes the diesels (which I won't list here) and adds the following NUMERICAL engine codes:
1 - 6 1v 240 Low Compression
2 - 6 1v 300 Low Compression
3 - 8 2v 330 Low Compression, MD (gasoline)
4 - 8 4v 330 Low Compression, HD (gasoline)
5 - 8 2v 361 Low Compression
6 - 8 2v 352 Low Compression

'68 Dealer parts book:
A - 6 1v 240
B - 6 1v 300 LD 100/500 HD 500 up
C - 8 2v 330 MD (gasoline)
D - 8 2v 330 HD (gasoline)
E - 8 2v 361 HD
F - 8 4v 391
F - 6 1v 170 (yes, that's correct)
G - 8 2v 302
H - 8 2v 390 - 100/350
H - 8 4v 401 - 500 up
K - 8 4V 477
L - 8 4V 534
N - 8 2v 289
Y - 8 2V 360

Note the changes for '68:
G was changed from a 401 to the 302
H was added for the 390, but only for the F-350s and lower
H was retained for the 401 for anything larger than an F-350
J was dropped
N was added for the 289 (I didn't know the 289 was available in '68!)
Y was changed to the 360

Chiltons only shows the E, F (for 391) and H codes, so it is correct, but incomplete.
The Shop manual for '66 and the Shop Tips don't go that far up.

Well? What are y'alls conclusions? It is entirely possible that later books were corrected, and mine are too early for that.
Also, I had my son check the entries, and there were 2 errors The M code for '65 (it was typed here as a 6 300 not a 8 330) and the first H code for '68 (it was showing here as a 3v 390 - now THAT's a miracle to see!), which are now fixed. So, all should be correct now.
I'd like to hear from everyone.
















 
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Old Nov 10, 2002 | 04:59 PM
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John You are mixing FE & FT engines. 352, 360, and a few 390s were only offered in the pickups. The FTs 330s, 359, 361, 389, and 391 were only in the big trucks.
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No mixup, John, I listed everything, sixes, FEs and FTs to make sure every possibility was covered.
Now, was that a 389 engine? I double checked the book, keeping in mind the possible print errors, and I typed it correctly as a 289, as printed.
Is it a mis-print, and should it be a 389?
Or was it the 289? I had always believed the 289 was never offered in the trucks.
Thanks for confirming that, either way.
 
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389 is correct for FT big truck engine, although the 330s and the 391 are the most found.

The 289 is a small block that had it's stroke changed and became the 302. The 289 was never offered in the pickup.
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Thanks, John for confirming the 289 was not in trucks. I have always held that opinion, but the parts book (mis-)print threw me off.
I wish I had a dollar for every 289 head and block I saw getting trashed or modified to in the attmept to make a "better" motor as a 302!
They would be worth something today, especially to the purist Mustang crowd.

 
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289s are often mentioned as an available truck engine because they were offered in 66 and 67 Broncos. They were not an option for pickups.

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>John You are mixing FE & FT engines.
So are FE's and FT's compatible in most cases? ie same block? WHat were the major differences? I have always heard that the parcel delivery trucks had 390's as early as '61.
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