Engine Weights

A special thanks to Mr. Williams for the information below, and also apologies for deleting most of the work he did.
The information below represents engine weights of those most likely to be found in our beloved old Fords or from vehicles that we will most likely cut the front suspensions from to cobble into those same Fords.
I deleted the Hondas and the Radial Aircraft types, if ya want to use those visit Dave Williams site at http://www.angelfire.com/ar/dw42/engfyi.htm
The info can be used several ways, for example

Q - I have a 48 F1 with a late flathead engine that weighs 569lbs, is there a noticeable difference in say a 351W (525lbs) or a 460 (720lbs).
A - I should be more than OK for the 351W and I should consider upgraded springs for the 460.

Q – I would like to keep my Flatmotor and use a front suspension from a Jag that had a V6 turbo in it.
A – The V6 turbo weighed only 427 Lbs; I would want to look a beefier Jag front end.

Ta Da! Now all those that have under weight suspensions already completed, you can start on your next modification!

4TL8Ford

Engine Weight/Size FYI version 00.02.04
by Dave Williams, dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us

It isn't really a Frequently Asked Question, so I'll call it an "FYI", For Your Information. This was originally a list I'd compiled long ago on paper, then moved to the computer, then posted on the net as a response to some questions. It wound up being popular, but since
I didn't keep track of the origin of the data there was some debate as to how accurate the list was. This new improved list has origins where I could find references; what doesn't have an origin is stuff from my original list.

You'll sometimes see more than one weight listed. Some weights are for just a long block, some are complete and ready to run, and of course everything in between. Some engines varied in weight during their production runs - for example, some later Chevy V8s use thinwall blocks and aluminum heads.

As of version 94.06.01 engine dimensions have been added. Since the shape can vary quite a bit within the maximum limits this data isn't very useful, but many people have requested it.

As of version 00.02.04 transmission weights have been added.

If you have any figures you'd like to contribute, please send them to me at one of the following addresses:

dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us
PO Box 181, Jacksonville AR 72078-0181

All contributions will be fully credited.


WEIGHT
ENGINE POUNDS . COMMENTS

AMC V8 540 (late design V8s)
AMC V8 600 (early design V8s)
AMC 6 500 (early design six - 199)

Buick 1953 322 V8 635 OHV V8
Buick 350 450
Buick 401 685 ('59 Nail Head)
Buick 430-455 V8 600 (one ref showed 640)
Buick 1963 odd-fire V6 414
Buick V6 375
Buick 3.0 V6 '85-up 350
Buick/Rover 215 V8 318 (and Olds)
Buick 1961 215 V8 324

Cadillac V8 390 720
Cadillac V8 472-500 625
Cadillac V8 500 595
Cadillac V-16 1,300 (1931) 45 deg.
Cadillac 331 V8 699 (1949)
Cadillac Northstar V8 484
Cadillac Northstar V8 403 (bare, no accessories)
Cadillac Northstar V8 464 (dressed)
Cadillac Northstar V8 404 (without accessories)

Chevy L6 194-250 440
Chevy L6 216/235 630
Chevy L6 216/235 615 "265 V8 was 40# lighter than 235"
Chevy V6-90 229, 4.3 425
Chevy V6-60 2.8, 3.1 350
Chevy small block V8 575 (generic for '60s-'70s motors)
Chevy small block V8 535 ('59 Corvette 283 w/alum. intake)
Chevy LT-5 DOHC 5.7 600
Chevy L98 5.7 V8 600
Chevy V8 348/409 620
Chevy V8 348/408 655
Chevy big block V8 685 Mark IV
Chevy 454 675
Chevy 427 ZL-1 550 all-aluminum, "20# lighter than SB"

Chrysler 413 wedge 640 ('59 300-E)
Chrysler 331 Hemi 745 1955
Chrysler 1955 V8 691 Spitfire, 'polyspheric', 300 ci 188 hp
Chrysler 1955 Hemi 729 Firepower 331.1 ci, 250hp, 1x4v
Chrysler 1955 300 Hemi 735 C-300, 331.1 ci, 300hp, 2x4v

DeSoto 383 630
DeSoto V8 675

Dodge V8 645 (241-325 CID, '50s)
Dodge 361 625
Dodge Viper V10 716 with accessories
Dodge Viper V10 ('97) 648 40# lighter block, 14# lighter heads
Dodge truck V10 816

Edsel 361 680

Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 418 (also 2.0, 2.5)
Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 307
Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 450 (turbo)
Ford 2.3 L4 Turbo 380 Turbo T-Bird engine w/turbo, flywheel
Ford Germany Taunus V4 205 (and SAAB V4)
Ford England Essex V4 327
Ford Germany 2.0-2.8 V6 305
Ford 3.8 V6-90 351 (w/start, alt, less clutch)
Ford 3.8 V6-90 311 ("fully dressed")
Ford 3.8 V6-90 298 "complete"
Ford/Mazda Mondeo V6 225 60 deg, all aluminum, 4v
Ford Taurus SHO 3.0/3.2 465 Taurus SHO V6
Ford 170-250 L6 385 (except Australian w/aluminum head)
Ford 4.2 V6 488 flexplate and front dress, no A/C compressor. Shipping wt w/skid
Ford flathead V8 525 1932 model, integral bellhouseing, iron heads
Ford flathead V8 569 ('53 239 CID)
Ford 255 Windsor 468
Ford 289/302 V8 460 (late 5.0s are a bit lighter)
Ford 221-302W 460
Ford 5.0 V8 450
Ford 5.0 V8 411 89 Mustang 5.0 GT (dry)
Ford BOSS 302 500
Ford 351 Cleveland 550 (includes BOSS and Australian 302-C)
Ford 351 Windsor 525
Ford 351M-400 575
Ford Y block V8 625 (272-312 CID)
Ford FE big block 650 (332-428 CID)
Ford FE big block 670 ('59 352 CID)
Ford FE 625
Ford 427 SOHC 680
Ford 429-460 720
Ford 460 V8 720
Ford BOSS 429 680 (iron block, aluminum heads)
Ford BOSS 429 635
Ford 4.6 SOHC 530 iron block, aluminum heads
Ford 4.6 SOHC 473
Ford 4.6 SOHC 600 (Mustang)
Ford 4.6 DOHC 464 "9 pounds lighter than SOHC"
Ford 4.6 DOHC 437 without accessories
Ford 4.6 DOHC 521 aluminum block and heads
Ford 4.6 DOHC 576 (Mustang)
Ford Triton V10 635 "dressed"


GMC 261 L6 (216-235) 544 "25 lbs lighter than flathead Ford"

Jaguar V12 680
Jaguar 4.2L six 604
Jaguar XJ220 V6 427 complete w/turbos, wiring
Jaguar AJ6 4.0L 531
Jaguar AJV8 4.4L 441 "fully dressed"
Jaguar 3.4-liter XK 576
Jaguar 3.8 six 592
Jaguar 4.2 six 605
Jaguar 5.3 V12 612
Jaguar 5.3 V12 680 fully dressed for installation

Lincoln 430 740 (also Mercury 430)

Mopar Slant Six 475
Mopar 273-340 "A" V8 525
Mopar 360 "A" 550
Mopar 361-383-400 V8 620
Mopar 413-426W-440 V8 670
Mopar Street Hemi 765

Olds 215 V8 318
Olds 215 V8 345 1962, 2bbl, dry weight
Olds 304 "Rocket" V8 671 first Olds V8, 1949
Olds straight-8 614 '40s motor
Olds 330 J2 700 (first generation V8)
Olds 330-400 560 low deck, w/accessories, no flywheel
Olds 394 725 ('59)
Olds 371, 394 760
Olds 400-455 620 high deck w/accessories, no flywheel
Olds 455 605
Olds 262 V6 Diesel 590 (from GM SAE paper)
Olds DOHC 4.0 V8 463 dressed) Olds variant of Cad Northstar

Plymouth 361 640 ('59)

Pontiac L4 350 Iron Duke, Tech IV
Pontiac Tempest slant 4 470
Pontiac SOHC 6 450
Pontiac SOHC 6 550
Pontiac 389 V8 650
Pontiac 389 V8 590 ('59)
Pontiac 301 V8 452

Rambler 327 V8 600
Rambler 327 V8 670 ('59)

Studebaker 289 650

Transmissions

MAKER WEIGHT GEARS TYPE COMMENT

Borg Warner 101 4 speed manual Ford Super T-10 iron/aluminum
Borg Warner 92 4 speed manual Chevy Super T-10 iron/aluminum
Borg Warner 78 5 speed manual T-5, Ford pattern
Ford 48 4 speed manual '71 Capri/Pinto 1600 light duty
Ford C6 202 3 speed auto
Ford C4 185 3 speed auto
Ford AOD 195 4 speed auto including torque convertor
Ford FMX 195 3 speed auto cast iron case
Ford-O-Matic 228 3 speed auto (early '60s)

 

WOW! What a cool list. Thanks 4t18ford!

I think all Effie enthusiasts considering an engine conversion and/or a front end swap should print this list and nail it up on their garage wall.

From the numbers I have remembered over the years the list is quite accurate.

It would be interesting to know the weight of the Ford 6.9, 7.3, and 6.0 Powerstroke diesels. (I know one of these is going to show up in an Effie some day, if it hasn't already)

Also the weights of some more transmissions. Like the stock Ford 3-speeds ('40-'48 and '49-'56) also Ford 4-Speed truck trans.
Also GM Turbo-400 and Turbo-350 and Mopar Automatics.

When making a conversion, the weight of the transmission needs to be taken into consideration along with the engine. Those automatics are a darn heavy lump! Even though they sit back a little further in the chassis so they don't affect the front end as much as the engine, the're still an item to contend with.

Good luck, and be safe.

BobJonesSpecial

 

hey guys

I've had a copy of Dave's list for a few years ...good info...

but I don't think it is "as dressed" When he says ready to run, I don't think he's adding all the accessories... air conditioning, p.s. and such... not sure but I think the 460 would be a few pounds heavier... but then again when you're over 750# what's a few more

john

 

There wer a lot of variations on the weights, I tried to pick the heaviest ones.

 

Good stuff Dick,

Look what a pig motor the 460 is! I know the 460 makes 10 more horses than my 302, but I'm not so sure that will pull the extra 250 pounds around or not.

 

FORD ENGINE AND COMPONENT WEIGHTS For arguement sake, I looked here, and seen the 460 weighs less than Dave's list. Does anyone have an updated list I can get? I would like to get a complete list of dressed and undressed weights. I know that's alot to ask for, lol.

 

First you start with a big scale, next you get-------

 

hmm, I don't have a big scale. If I did, the wife might take offense.

"No, really, honey, it's for engines!!!"

 

Kina depends when those 10 horses go to work? But I think the old hot rodders axiom still hold true,………. “There ain’t no substitute for cubic inches!”…….. (and torque)

 

Thanks for posting this Dick, I`ve saved in my computer files for further reference.
So true Ray, for a stock engine that`s puller my money is always on the 460.

 

The Ford Powerstroke 7.3 scales in at 932 lbs. "dry". So that is without oil and water/coolant. How many accessories such as alternator, ac compressor, power steering pump, etc., I do not know. I picked that number up from the amazingly accurate "Internet".

Phil

 

If anyone would like to save Dicks info as an IE Favorite, here is a website with that info:

Vintage Hot Rods & Classic Cars :: Resources for people restoring hot rods including classifieds, how-to's, more.

J!

 

I always thought the FE series engines were heavier than the 385 series engines. Hmm.

 

Check out my build thread: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ilt-thread.htm . You will see that I have a Cleveland motor and a Jag IFS.

 

According to my specs, a 239 c.i. Flathead V8 weighs 525 lbs. An aluminum intake and heads should drop it to around/under 500lbs. ????? To the best of my knowledge, a Jaguar Straight 6 weighs a hefty 604 lbs.