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When I purchased my "63 F100, it already had a 302 in it. As I am reworking as much as possible, I pulled the engine to work on the front end. I have a concern about the motor mounts. The engine was mounted with 2 mounts that bolted to the frame. This is one of several aftemarket mounts that can be purchased at a number of outlets. However, I am somewhat leary of using the mount. It just seems a little on the "light" side. It has four bolt that mounts to the frame and then another two bolt mount on the engine. These two mounts then couple with a single bolt holding them together. They even offer this combination to mount 460s. I also have a tube type mount that would go frame rail to frame rail and pass under the pan. Any suggestions as which to use? Would I have to change pans to accommodate the tube type mount. Your help is greatly appreciated.
JL
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Jim, I would go with the tube type only because it adds a cross member. You removed the bell housing cross member when you put the small block and these ladder frames really flex under load. I think the additional support created by adding the tube mount will be a good thing.
William in Atlanta
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William, thanks for your reply. However, a couple of things about my truck. I still do have the cross member under the bell housing and have an aftermarket transmission brace to hold the old C-4 in place. I do have a concern about the tube type mount in that I do not know whether it will cause me to get a different oil pan. My current pan has the "deep end" in the front. I have been told there are "deep end" pans in which the deep end is located at the rear of the engine, but would assume if I needed to go that route it would also require an different oil pick up etc. Money I would prefer not to have to spend. What do you know about this? Thanks,JL
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Your right about the oil pickup. If you went from front sump (deepend) to a rearsump you would need to change oil pickups. I personally like rear sump pans. Just say you have a race car... you gas it and pull the front wheels up... the oil would flow to the rear of the pan. Well if you have a rearsump oil pan you wouldn't have to worry about loosing oil pressure because the oil is going into the sump, not out of it.
Sorry if I confused you, its hard to explain in words.
Sorry if I confused you, its hard to explain in words.
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Andy, thanks for joining in. Any idea of what type of car/truck I would look for in the local bone yard to get a rear deep end oil pan? Do you know what pans from what engines would fit on a 302? Thanks again for you help.
JL:-)
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I'm not sure off hand. Give me specs on your truck.. motor, tranny, etc. Im assuming you have a 302 but Im not sure. Email me back and I'll ask my friend from the Maverick message board.
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Try this website
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=search.asp%3FType%3Dbykeyword%2 6Part%3D302%20oil%20pan%26Search.x%3D1%26SearchTyp e%3DBoth
Its summit's website, but I already had it search for a Ford 302 poil pan. You can get rearsump oil pans all day long, Im just not sure what will fit w/ your cross member, but there shouldn't be a problem.
I'd personally got 460 in your truck
I hope I was of some help...
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=search.asp%3FType%3Dbykeyword%2 6Part%3D302%20oil%20pan%26Search.x%3D1%26SearchTyp e%3DBoth
Its summit's website, but I already had it search for a Ford 302 poil pan. You can get rearsump oil pans all day long, Im just not sure what will fit w/ your cross member, but there shouldn't be a problem.
I'd personally got 460 in your truck
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Ok, here is what I have. I have a '63 F100 that is stock except for the 302 which was installed before I got it. It is mated to a C-4 tranny. As far as I can tell, nothing had been removed to make room for the 302 fit. The deep end of the oil pan is at the front of the engine. I was told at the time of purchase that this engine and tranny came out of a '76 Granda, but don't trust that info. Actually, the engine could be a 289, but I don't think that matters. I don't know when they stopped making the 302, so I don't even know if they were made during that 1976 year. I don't know anything about a 351, but don't feel I have a 351. Again, I want to thank you for your help, every little bit of knowledge is very useful. JL:-)
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Ok... Putting a 302 in your truck is VERY easy.. You just get motor mounts out of a earlier Ford truck... like a 1974.
The motor mounts go inside the frame mount. Nothing has to be removed but the rubber.. So You still have the original frame stands.
289/302 doesn't matter, only difference is crank (I think).
351's will also fit in the truck using the same motor mounts.
It may of been possible for the motor/tranny to come out of a Granada but Im not sure what those even came out with. I'm not that "smart" about things, but what I do know I've gotten from my best friend and his dad that have been long time ford fans.. If you need anything let me know, and I'll email him and ask him.
Try out the summit website I posted a minute or two ago, and let me know if that helps. Im not sure what oil pan will need to be used, but my friend is building a 1966 Ford F-100 (brother to my truck) and he is using a rearsump oil pan, and it should fit. I'll ask him tonight for you.
If you want to contact me other than this message board do so.
My email is andysutt@conwaycorp.net, my yahoo is
ord_1966_customcab, ICQ is 11383888, and my AIM is TSW Andy feel free to contact me.
The motor mounts go inside the frame mount. Nothing has to be removed but the rubber.. So You still have the original frame stands.
289/302 doesn't matter, only difference is crank (I think).
351's will also fit in the truck using the same motor mounts.
It may of been possible for the motor/tranny to come out of a Granada but Im not sure what those even came out with. I'm not that "smart" about things, but what I do know I've gotten from my best friend and his dad that have been long time ford fans.. If you need anything let me know, and I'll email him and ask him.
Try out the summit website I posted a minute or two ago, and let me know if that helps. Im not sure what oil pan will need to be used, but my friend is building a 1966 Ford F-100 (brother to my truck) and he is using a rearsump oil pan, and it should fit. I'll ask him tonight for you.
If you want to contact me other than this message board do so.
My email is andysutt@conwaycorp.net, my yahoo is
ord_1966_customcab, ICQ is 11383888, and my AIM is TSW Andy feel free to contact me.
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Jim, The 302 or any small block works well in these old Fords. I think the bolt in mounts you have are OKAY! You can check them once in a while for loose bolts or cracking. Front sump or rear sump makes little difference in your application. Put it on the road and see how all this works out and please post back. Lots of the posters here have the straight axle trucks.
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Thanks, Andy, this is really getting interesting. I was never aware of any mounts that would work other than aftermarket stuff. These mounts from a '74 Ford sound interesting. Are these two separate type mounts that bolt to the inside of the '63 frame? Or is this a crossmember type that bolts to each side? If I were to look for this in a bone yard, don you have a sense of what years would actually fit? Thanks again for all your help and understanding. Jim
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I'm thinking the motor mounts you have are either 1) aftermarket 2) from the 74 Ford ... The ones from a 74 ford are the exact same frame stand (the metal part that bolts to each side) its just the rubber and the bolt that sticks out and bolts to the motor is different. You can change just the rubber part and the bolt that bolts to the body w/o having to change frame stands.
Im not sure exactly what you have, but Im quite positive the aftermarkets are just a marked up priced 74 motor mount. lol
I personally would leave the motor mounts in it and drive it til the wheels fell off, because either way (aftermarket or the later model motor mounts) are fine.
Im not sure exactly what you have, but Im quite positive the aftermarkets are just a marked up priced 74 motor mount. lol
I personally would leave the motor mounts in it and drive it til the wheels fell off, because either way (aftermarket or the later model motor mounts) are fine.
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Guys to make this really simple pull up my "front end" gallery. It shows the aftermarket engine mount system that Jim is talking about. I have a 351W installed but the mount is the same for the 302. Only differance is that the guy who tried to do the install kind of messed up by bolting it to the top of my frame vise inside of the rails. I hope this sheds a little light on the subject. Also the 60-64 stock mounts are front and rear mounts. Not the side mounts that are installed on the 65 and up models. Remember we have the leaf spring single axle suspension not the twin I beam design in 64 and older.