ULSD Information By Chevron + FAQs
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ULSD Information + FAQs
Go here to find answers to the new ULSD required fuel.
http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/fuels/diesel/ulsd.shtml#A9
http://thepowershop.com/index.php?pr=Unltralowsulfurdiesel
http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/fuels/diesel/ulsd.shtml#A9
http://thepowershop.com/index.php?pr=Unltralowsulfurdiesel
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It looks like there needs to discussion regarding this important and somewhat confusing issue so I an opening this up for discussion here.
I am also adding my previously posted comments regarding the links.
diesel_dan sent me a P.M. regarding the two points of view. Since he posted his concerns here I will also post my take on it.
One presents a Corporate view while the other presents "hands on".
FYI, even just a few short months ago, the Feds had not yet approved what, or how much, lubricity additives to allow in the ULSD. Apparently the lubricity additives are blended at the local distributors so not sure we can be confident that all will be right with the world on any given day with any given distributor.
In addition, the "hands on" point of view targets the moisture dispersant issue more so than lubricity.
So the observations are not so opposing as they are presenting different potential issues.
IMO, it will be important to make sure that owner added fuel additives contain both lubricity and moisture dispersant properties.
I am also adding my previously posted comments regarding the links.
diesel_dan sent me a P.M. regarding the two points of view. Since he posted his concerns here I will also post my take on it.
One presents a Corporate view while the other presents "hands on".
FYI, even just a few short months ago, the Feds had not yet approved what, or how much, lubricity additives to allow in the ULSD. Apparently the lubricity additives are blended at the local distributors so not sure we can be confident that all will be right with the world on any given day with any given distributor.
In addition, the "hands on" point of view targets the moisture dispersant issue more so than lubricity.
So the observations are not so opposing as they are presenting different potential issues.
IMO, it will be important to make sure that owner added fuel additives contain both lubricity and moisture dispersant properties.
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Besides a discussion on which additive does the best job of both lubricity and moisture dispersant, as Keith suggests, (or is the best value at doing it...) (and I'm sure additives have never been discussed here before 
), it would be interesting to know which diesel fuels come prepackaged with the better add-pack, perhaps good enough to go-it alone?
Maybe we can just dump some sulfur in with each fillup!
), it would be interesting to know which diesel fuels come prepackaged with the better add-pack, perhaps good enough to go-it alone?Maybe we can just dump some sulfur in with each fillup!
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This message, regarding ULSD, from Ford has been provided to us by vloney on 06/13/2006
The following special service message was released last week on oasis: (#19217) 2007 F-Super Duty vehicles built with the 6.0l diesel engine have a "carry over" 2006 style engine and are not required by federal mandate to use the ultra low sulfur diesel (ULSD) fuel. Until ULSD (15 ppm) is available in October 2006, all diesel fuel pumps selling low sulfur diesel fuel (500 ppm) must use newly established labels by EPA beginning June 1, 2006. The labels for these pumps state: "warning- federal law prohibits use in model year 2007 and later highway vehicles and engines." This is not the case for 2007 vehicles with the carryover 2006 engines, Therefore, both low sulfur and ultra low sulfur diesel fuels can be used in these vehicles.
The following special service message was released last week on oasis: (#19217) 2007 F-Super Duty vehicles built with the 6.0l diesel engine have a "carry over" 2006 style engine and are not required by federal mandate to use the ultra low sulfur diesel (ULSD) fuel. Until ULSD (15 ppm) is available in October 2006, all diesel fuel pumps selling low sulfur diesel fuel (500 ppm) must use newly established labels by EPA beginning June 1, 2006. The labels for these pumps state: "warning- federal law prohibits use in model year 2007 and later highway vehicles and engines." This is not the case for 2007 vehicles with the carryover 2006 engines, Therefore, both low sulfur and ultra low sulfur diesel fuels can be used in these vehicles.
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Someone bottom line it, all in one thread, for me and anyone else out there having a difficult time making heads or tails of the ULSD fuel and it's use in the 6.0:
1. What effects, if any, on the 6.0 can we expect to see if we use the ULSD (like those in CA)?
2. What extra preventive maintenance will be required when using ULSD?
3. What aftermarket equipment may be needed to help prevent any problems associated with the use of ULSD?
4. Does anyone have any idea what the heck is meant by ULSD is "compatible with 2006 and earlier diesel engines"? Compatible in the sense that my truck will run, but the engine will have a half-life from worn metal parts or a blown injector from water ingestion, what?
5. Does FMC have any additional guidelines, or have they put out any additional information, for the use of ULSD in the 6.0?
6. And I got confused (no big surprise there), will S500 still be sold when the new S15 is implemented?
1. What effects, if any, on the 6.0 can we expect to see if we use the ULSD (like those in CA)?
2. What extra preventive maintenance will be required when using ULSD?
3. What aftermarket equipment may be needed to help prevent any problems associated with the use of ULSD?
4. Does anyone have any idea what the heck is meant by ULSD is "compatible with 2006 and earlier diesel engines"? Compatible in the sense that my truck will run, but the engine will have a half-life from worn metal parts or a blown injector from water ingestion, what?
5. Does FMC have any additional guidelines, or have they put out any additional information, for the use of ULSD in the 6.0?
6. And I got confused (no big surprise there), will S500 still be sold when the new S15 is implemented?
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You think you are confused feel of me. Will they be required to post what additives come prepackaged? Or will it be like trying to find out the centane, sometimes when you ask they will say I don't know check with our head office and offer to give you the telephone# or the address but you want to fill up now. And if they did furnish all the information at the pump it would take a while to read it at the pump and on top of that you would probably need a lawyer to explain it to you, so others here where do we get our answers. I am looking at buying a new lawn mower and am being told some of the same things about fuel for them, makes you wonder how much is hype and how much is real.
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Your fine with '06 and earlier for using ULSD. The newer models will have particular filters that can be damaged by the LSD. As with the new oil rating for the newer models the rating CJ-4 and ULSD is backward compatble to your engine. S500 or 500ppm will be sold has off-highway diesel taking place of the 5000ppm. Due to pipeline contamination as well as emission reduction for off-highway.
Here is a link to a good article -
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...PC-10_FAQs.pdf
Here is a link to a good article -
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...PC-10_FAQs.pdf
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Here is the Stanadyne position on this from 2000. Read paragraph #3 http://www.biodiesel.org/markets/pre/resolution.pdf
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Here's some more info from the Clean Diesel website:
www.clean-diesel.org/highway.html
From the 'Vehicle Performance' section of the same site:
"Like Low Sulfer Diesel fuel, ULSD fuel requires good lubricity and corrosion inhibitors to prevent unacceptable engine wear. As necessary, additives to increase lubricity and to inhibit corrosion will be added to ULSD fuel prior to its retail sale. With these additives, ULSD fuel is expected to perform as well as Low Sulfur Diesel fuel."
and,
"Under typical operating conditions, there should be no noticeable impact on overall power using ULSD fuel. Fuel economy may be reduced slightly because the process that removes sulfur also can reduce the energy content of the fuel."
www.clean-diesel.org/highway.html
From the 'Vehicle Performance' section of the same site:
"Like Low Sulfer Diesel fuel, ULSD fuel requires good lubricity and corrosion inhibitors to prevent unacceptable engine wear. As necessary, additives to increase lubricity and to inhibit corrosion will be added to ULSD fuel prior to its retail sale. With these additives, ULSD fuel is expected to perform as well as Low Sulfur Diesel fuel."
and,
"Under typical operating conditions, there should be no noticeable impact on overall power using ULSD fuel. Fuel economy may be reduced slightly because the process that removes sulfur also can reduce the energy content of the fuel."
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That's the exact, plain language explanation of how ULSD will work in our trucks that I was looking for, Thanks Kep
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But that sucks, I'm going to have to pay more and in return I get less MPG's?!!
. . . But that sucks, I'm going to have to pay more and in return I get less MPG's?!!
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Allright guys it's almost september and now I'm seeing more and more stations are not waiting until january to switch, the stickers are up for the old stuff and most places now are stocking the ULSD instead.
So the question is this; can we now be confident that all the ULSD that is available now and from here on has the additives in place?
I will continue to use my preferred additive for cetane boost regardless as it has served me well, I recently switched from stanadyne to the new ford powerstroke additive and noticed a nice improvement in performance as well as a price break, but the best benefit is the small long neck bottles, just dump it and dispose, no more funnels and rags needed.
So I guess I'll take the plunge next fill up and try the ULSD, wish me luck.
So the question is this; can we now be confident that all the ULSD that is available now and from here on has the additives in place?
I will continue to use my preferred additive for cetane boost regardless as it has served me well, I recently switched from stanadyne to the new ford powerstroke additive and noticed a nice improvement in performance as well as a price break, but the best benefit is the small long neck bottles, just dump it and dispose, no more funnels and rags needed.
So I guess I'll take the plunge next fill up and try the ULSD, wish me luck.
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