Well I thought it was kinda funny myself....Cause I had never known Paul or Dave to hang out in here? LOL.... But Paul did say he lurks?? LOL..

Anyway enough is enough....were all good to go now!! LOL...

Russ

 

Thanks for the reference to my site. Those numbers are gleaned from numerous publications and offered up to the community in hopes of helping people put some kind of ID on a part. First and foremost - they are not guarranteed to be right or absolute in accuracy. You can't - this is Ford we're talking about here. There are a ton of things that Ford did that are either completely undocumented or documented wrong. I (we as a community really) rely on people like Paul and others that spend a great deal of time working with the specifics to get the straight scoop. For the pages that you reference, I rely on these folks and others to point out things that need correction - either directly via email or through discussions like this. Misinformation can be carried forward for years. A specific fer-instance is the 73-74 351C 4V heads. A lot of books that you buy will list these like any other 4V open chamber 351C head. But - not so. They carry 2V valves in them, not the normal 4V size. This info IS correct in many of the Ford specific documents and in some of the early Engine Annuals, but somehow got overlooked when other individuals decided to write a book. It's called "fact checking" and apparently there a a lot of book writers that don't get around to it. The error still exists AFAIK in the most recent HP Ford Engine Parts Interchange Manual. That's nearly 30 years of carrying forward bad data.

Another example of mystery Ford stuff is the 71 Boss 302. Never hit production, not listed in any books - but got close enough to production that Ford made a strip kit for it. It was found on the shelf of a wrecking yard in the original Ford packaging about 30 miles from where I live.

Also remember that CASTING numbers are not PART numbers at Ford. There is a difference. A casting number is more a close reference to the original design and carries little specific information. Example: casting D2AE-CA 351C engine blocks - you find these as both 2 bolt and 4 bolt. I don't know the specific part numbers, but you can bet they are different.

So feel free to reference my reference, but please be open to the idea that there's an enormous amount of information out there in the hands of knowlegeable individuals, much more than is captured in any book or web site.

I've made corrections based on the info presented, hope that helps.

 

Why is this Question on this FE site----- 460 has there own side---------
Go there & ask the questions !!!!!!!!!! Russ was trying to help & got spanked.

Don

 

I wondered about that too. Mainly because it was posted on the 429/460 forum too.

 

Interesting, off topic thread. Pass the popcorn.

 

That's wonderful, But he was calling me personally wrong and bad for spreading bad info when I was referenceing your site...As I said, it wasn't MY info it was yours...so it's no biggie to me either way...
I do not want to be blamed for muddying up the water and posting bad info when that info was gleaning off the net...It's not like I made it up!

 

That person that linked him to Chris's site would be me, and if you notice he gave a specific casting number in that post on the other forum that matched up to a 351c head. I told him that and gave him a place to look for himself rather than just trust me. Now I may be mistaken, but Chris is more of a cleveland guy than a 385 series engine person, so I trust his stuff when it comes to cleveland stuff but like he states both in an earlier post here, and on his site itself the numbers are not gaurenteed accurate, it's just a reference point that could be wrong, and in the case of the cj head casting numbers it is wrong.
As to not ever having heard of Paul, well you found the 460 site he hangs out on appearently if you found that post, and if you have done any reading over there you will know he is very well respected, heck I wish I knew half of what paul has probably forgotten, I have spoken directly to him on the phone (never had the pleasure of actually meeting him but maybe someday) and found he is pleasent, and very knowledgable. Also his products are top notch, I personally run one of his stage one oil pumps in my race engine, and would recommend them to anyone that asks, just the workmanship and effort they put into them shows someone that truly loves these engines and knows how to make them work.

 

I'm just saying he shouldn't have jumped all over me for posting bad info when it came from that site...it is one of the few sites on the net that you CAN get numbers from...
I never guaranteed any info..As I said in this very thread, I hope the true info does come out...this is why we discuss it, hpefully...But, I don't need some jerk going off on me personally...I don't care how many motors he has built!!

 

fomocofan .....chill

 

I think the C9VE-A casting number error might have its origins in the book " How to rebuild your Ford V-8 351c-351M-400-429-460 by Tom Monroe" as I have a copy published in 1980 that shows the C9VE-A heads listed in the 429CJ,SCJ and police section.I have found other errors in the book including the wrong firing order listed for a 429-460, I don't know if corrections were made in later copies.I have seen shop manuals with the wrong bolt torque specs listed and other errors so generally now if something doesn't seem right I check with a second source or ask someone with more knowledge than myself.I have a set of C9VE-A heads out in the garage,I wish they were CJ heads.

 

idfergusson

You may be on to something there. Tom Monroe's book is a nice coffee table book but there are several errors. Same can be said for Pat Ganahl's book. You see both quoted like gospel which just spreads the myths like Falcon67 said.

 

Anybody who paid attention in grade school English class knows this means:

Well the most desirable of the stock 460 heads are the C8...Made in 68....

(and) the C9..Made in 69....

(and) the infamous D0VE-C heads..Made in 70....

Tracy

 

Or he could have just added one word, "respectively" to assure clarity.

Either way, I agree with you, Tracy.

Fomo, follow Tim's advice. Chill.

Stewart

 

This thread makes my head hurt......

I got the popcorn, and the drinks. Let me know and I'll pass them around.

RapidRuss, where you been hiding. Ain't seen you around the 460 site for a long time....


Oh, and BTW, I can vouch for Paul Kane, DILLIGAS Dave, RapidRuss, monsterbaby, idfergusson, and a few others that chimed in here. I guess you can say we all hang out on the most informative BBF site around. These guys know their chit! I hang out here too but mostly in the Super Duty and 7.3 forums.....

So, like I said before, if you need popcorn let me know......

Please continue. I'm still learning from these guys..........

 

LOL.. John... I had been offline for about a year..and had been working out of state quite a bit..... But I'am back and looking for work in state..no more out of state Chit!!!

Shoot I left, and came back and thought everyone left me? and forgot my name? LOL..Its Damn good to be back...about the only one that new where I was and I kept in contact with was FFRCobra001 (Glenn)

But I have learned now to watch my type after 12 beers!!! LMAO!!!

Later Bro!

Russ