You just called yourself a moron, Fomocofan. Please let me explain.

My name is Paul and I own a company called High Flow Dynamics. The team that makes up this company has done things with the 429/460 engine family that most would think impossible, including use them in land speed cars exceeding 200MPH (and still pushing for 300+ MPH), use station wagon block, heads & crank with used main bolts and used head bolts to achieve low 7-second quarter mile times, and even used these engines in marine applications where they run sustained 5000+ rpm for minutes on end. Not only have we been reworking every type of iron head that these engines came with since before aluminum heads were remotely available for the 460, but the combined 460 race and build experience between the three of us approaches seventy years. We currently have in stock way over 100 iron cylinder heads, about 75 blocks, 85 cranks, etc. We have spent a geat deal of working with the factory componentry and know what works and how to make the stock stuff scream bloody horsepower.

The text from which you are referencing (or the person to whom you are listening) is gravely incorrect as far as the C9/CJ casting numbers and so you are blowing smoke up the other enthusiasts asses here, so please quit referring to yourself as possesing "knowledge" about these engines because you give people like me and my business partners a bad name. The people on this forum are not discrediting you, they are simply trying to correct you. But you are too unjustly arrogant to swallow your pride (or admit when you are mistaken) so you muddy the whole topic that this thread is really supposed to be about.

Additionally, Rapid Russ's post is somewhat ambiguous in that it may be interpreted more way than one. Fortunately, I can see both ways: 1) his post may be perceived as stating that all those heads were available all those years, OR, 2) the three heads mentioned were produced in the three years, respectively speaking. I am well enough acquainted with Rapid Russ to know that he is well aware of which years those heads were made available and so I understand that the C8 was produced for the 1968 model year, the C9 for the 1969 model year and the D0 for the 1970 model year...and not the way you seem to see it.

Now, for the record:

• C8VE, C9VE & D0VE heads are all essentially the same head. In fact, not only are they interchangable, but you can even run a C9 on one cylinder bank and a D0 on the other and your motor won't know the difference. They are that much the same.
• The CJ & SCJ head is casting D0OE-R, and not C9VE like you claim.
• The good police interceptor heads are the 1972 D20E-AB castings. The later 460 PI heads were nothing more than D3VE heads and no different than station wagon heads. If you can actually show me a picture of a D3AE PI head, then I will stand corrected.

I'm pleased to see that you are enthusiastic enough to learn what you can about these engines and that you want to share what you think you know, but I think it's safe to say you have neither the knowledge, the credentials nor the personal experience to parade around as some kind of badass. Not only are you not jack shiit, you are also doing harm to the 460 enthusiast community overall by passing around bad information all the while insisting that it is accurate. My advice is for you to just lay back and absorb more info, get under a car or two (or fifty) and get you hands greasy rebuilding these engines, and also change your ****-poor attitude.

Paul

 

First of all, I have admitted when I was wrong.

Secondly it was stated(for tenth time) that DOVE heads were MADE in 68 69 and 70...there are NOT two ways to interpret that....he was wrong period end of story...

If you want to promote your "big" company and try to discredit me to do it...knock yourself out...You my friend dont know anymore than anyone else it seems...


That is where my numbers came from, if they are wrong you are calling them wrong...not me..so I dont care...
Here is the link:
http://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod/engine3.html

Scroll down you will see the 429CJ numbers I qouted and the D3 D4 PI numbers...
And I said nothing about D3AE PI heads, I dont know where that comes from..

Now, I have been called out on EVERY single issue...and in EVERY single case I have shown proof and posted links to such proof....EVERYONE else here is just blowing smoke...where is your proof oh great one...

I dont give me the old line..."my proof is right here on the bench"...that doesn't work...

You might want to show some proof before you start calling someone out!
This info I posted and linked to is commonly available on the net...I am not muddying up anything here...This is not info I made up...unlike YOU!!

 

fomocofungus,

The fact that you are unable to interpret the various ways in which Rapid Russ made use of the english language further exploit's your lack of intelligence.

My previous post where I give you my background is not for promotion but is to establish my personal experience and credentials. Once again, you are blinded by your own heated attitude.

Thanks for posting the link where you derive your erroneous information. The website is indeed incorrect. In fact, there are more errors on that website than I have ever seen on a single webpage.

The fact that you are unfamiliar with actual PI casting numbers futher displays your lack of knowledge. Also, your replies have not shown proof or backing but instead have further supported the fact that your posts are nothing more than lifted info from sites displaying bad information. And that is in "every single case," as you state. For crying out loud, if you had ever actually held all these heads in your hands and seen the casting numbers for yourself, you would understand how ridiculous you look right now.

If you want proof of our accomplishments, then please visit our website, as some of it is documented there...and accurately so, if I may say. If you had taken the time to do your homework before hastily posting a reply to me then you may have prevented yourself from putting your foot in your mouth yet another time.

That's all I'm going to get into this here. I feel the others are correct to not waste their time with you...as clark pointed out on page one. I'll devote my time to those that are worth a damn.

Good luck in your endevors fomocofutile; you'll need it.

Paul
http://www.highflowdynamics.com/

 

No, I dont want your accomplishments, I want you to disprove that info...

>Like I said, you are not disproving anything by running your mouth!

You can say its wrong, but can you prove it wrong??


You are a typical internet idiot...you think if you keep saying the same thing over and over and over...and tell everyone you build racecars...everyone should believe you...well, I only believe what can be proven correct...I see no proof of anything from you...other than you can talk alot of BS...

Explain to me how a head cast in 1970 can be made in 1968 and 1969???

You are an Idiot!!!

 

It's funny...CRM318 asked this on 460ford.com and somebody linked to the very same site I used and nobody called him on it!!!
http://www.460ford.com/viewtopic.php?t=3957

 

Gee, I wasn't aware that Ford ever used a different engine in their station wagons than in there regular cars. So smart man, explain when any car manufacture ever put special engines in station wagons. How come no one ever heard of you or your company?

 

Hello Bear,

I never stated that Ford put different engines in their station wagons. Ford used the same C8VE, C9VE and D0VE heads on their wagons of the era that were also used on the common passenger car engines and the so-called Thunderjet engines. (Although I think they all used two-barrel carbs, except for the D3VE headed cars that came with a four barrel carb.) Therefore, the heads that were used are indeed the same type heads that were in station wagons. I suppose my putting it that way in my previous post sounded funny upon first hearing it; it actually comes from my habit of expalining it that way to the chebby boys after they've been whooped. They come look at the motor I'm running and freak that it's all iron. I say, "yeah man, and I beat ya with station wagon heads." Pisses them off!

In regards to your second question: We are not a huge company, we are a small company that specializes in only the 429/460 and sell only what we fabricate or modify in-house. We don't sell CompCams or Crane Rockers, or brand components other than our own. That's somebody elses business. I confess we are not big into trucks but are more aligned with drag racing and the higher end market (which is a rather niche market and not a mass market). But I'm certain that if you ask within the right circles, you will find plenty of others that have heard of us and/or run our products.

The only reason I decided to finally post here instead of lurking all this time was because I am very passionate about these engines feel strongly that only accurate information should be given out to those in need of the correct info when building one of these motors.

Paul

 

Paul's site has some good oiling tech info. I like his oiling mod for pressurized oil spray pointing directly at the 460 distributor gear teeth. His setup with a simple drilled hole is much easier than the dedicated internal oil line I used on a few Clevelands for spraying the cam/dist. gears.

Paul, have you checked to see if there is enough room on other Ford motor's dist. gear pad for your modification to work on them as well?

 

You need to explain yourself better before you make claims and state things like "station wagon heads" here. We know better. FYI the 429s came in 2V and 4V configurations in the cars. All 460s have been 4V, cars or trucks. I apologize for getting snippy, but I've live quite awhile and in my old curmudgeonly way I call them like I see them when a statement is glaringly wrong. So belated welcome and do you have a website?

 

You didn'[t say this:

including use them in land speed cars exceeding 200MPH (and still pushing for 300+ MPH), use station wagon block, heads & crank with used main bolts and used head bolts to achieve low 7-second quarter mile times,


What is a Station wagon Block,head or crank???

I wish you wouldn't muddy up the water around here with bad info like this!!

 

OH MY GAWD! Thats the funniest thing I have read yet!

 

Nice of you to add to the conversation...your input is greatly appreciated!

 

Thanks.

Your ~facts~ are always worth a side-splitting laugh or two.

 

Thanks Paul and Dave for your vote..I knew what I was thinking ...It just didnt come out right in type!! LOL...

And by the way Paul and Dave are both Higly respected in the 460 racing comunity, Both Drag Boats and Cars... I wish I just new what these two Guys have forgot!!

End of story!!

Best Regards,

Russ

 

Too bad they dont understand English... You had already admitted that you had not typed it the way you meant...and then they chime in to "defend you" and telling me what you meant...
We had already had that discussion...I knew what you meant,it obviously was not typed that way..
Too bad someone went out of their way to go get him and have him signup over here on an FE forum to tell me what you meant about 385 heads!! Right DILIGAF??
That is the real funny part here....LOL