Pablo, it's the same same engine as in the first European W123 300 Turbodiesel (5 Cyl.). In Europe, especially in high-speed Germany, the old turbos have a bad reputation in the 2.5 and 3.0 engine. Other than in North America, MB in Europe did not replace turbos (and sometimes cracked heads) for free.

Tom
1993 3.0 XL Ext.
Sins, Switzerland

 

ingested turbo turbine pieces at 30,000 rpm grenade an engine

 

68Mercury250Ranger! OM617 was used on Gelentwagens, this engine is long, so radiator must be moved to front, beyong the grill. No place for fan, so electric fan may be used only. No place for A/C. The other problem - oil pan modification is required too, the next problema - to update this engine for oil filter of Ford ore Lada (ore use oil filter of MB408-510), becouse there is no room under the hood to pull out big oil filter of mercedes (it would be funny to remove engine to change a filter!).

Next problem - troutle body (hose from intercooler leads there...). You need to make it not so hight, ore modify aeros body!

Get ready to make many tubes and hoses to install intercooler, and where to install tranny cooler. On this aero 5st MT is installed, so no tranny cooler. And it is reccomended to use additional fan for intercooler, that activates on hight thrust pressure (over 1 bar).

 

Hello, How did the mercedes diesel swap go? Am I missing a thread about this? Thanks

 

Well. The first.... MB diesels are not desighned for ford trucks. Ford purchaise Pegeout 2.0-4.0 Diesels, becose Ford owns a part of Pegeout-Citroen. These turbo diesels fit Aero's, Transit's bodies well. And you can use ford's tranny. MB diesel requires many modifications + tranny by merceses. These modifications are not expencive, but requires a lot of time..... This process looks like Monster Garage TV show. But with 2.5 sprinter diesel aero runs better. It is easy to install MB diesels in pickups, like F150, Ranger, Silverado...... I love diesel, but dont forget, that new MB diesels require MR, FR and INS electonic units from mercedes/freightliner sprinter.... It is funny to see '86 with 2 CAN buses and OBD-2.... We have one old aero here in Lugansk with PLD diesel..... Well, I'll post photos of one mpre diesel aero a bit later...

 

hi pablo,
are you seeing any of the Ford Turbo Power Stroke 7.3L or 6.0L diesels in Ukraine?
we have switched over to the ULSD ultra low sulfur diesel <15ppm sulfur now....will be interesting to see how the older diesels run on this stuff....no lubricity

and the particulate filters are expensive plus plug easily....first tank of dirty fuel out of logging fuel truck hand pumper and $100 of filters down the drain

these new TPS 6.4L staged 2 turbo diesels just coming out still have the HPS extreme high pressure injection system using boosted extreme pressure engine oil to pulse the injectors, we'll see how long they last with ULSD

some truckers are already reporting cold weather gelling fuel problems

those 2.5L MB Sprinter diesels are too fast....tried to keep up with a service panel van that was loaded to the hilt....he had me off the line at the light and walked away from me on the freeway....my 4.0L is not a slow one either

 

Well... I saw this Power Stroke... This engine is used by Ford Turkey.... well, good engine, but unfortunaly Ford has no small diesel. It is difficult to work on 7.3 TDI in Econoline.

All the small diesel engines, used in ford cars and trucks are made in France by pegeout. I used to drive Ford Mondeo (mercury mistiq) 2.5 TDI.... runs well, but there are vibrations like in freightliner century. Why those 2.5L MB dprinter diesels are slow? becouse sprinter is too heavy for theese engines. For aero 2.5LR4 TDI ore 3.0V6 tdi are good, especially if boost pressure is about 2.5-3.5 BAR (with Garret ore Swizer turbo compressor).

About the fuel injection system.... may be we have not the best diesel fuel here, but common rail and pump-injectors are not optimal for us. The optimal system for us is PLD (4 ore 6 elecronically controlled pump units on camshaft). These pum units have very long life, up to 2 000 000 miles ore more.... I never sow warn pump units... with broken spring only. But all the PLD diesels are OHV, not OHC and they have maximum torque at 1200-2100 rpm. I like OM 904 ore 6 cyl OM 906 PLD (5.7 l). These engines were desighned for medium sise trucks (4-7 ton of cargo), but they fit F150, F250, silverado and suburban very well. Lust week I tuned up this OM 906 diesel in suburban. May be the the redline of this diesel is too low (3200 RPM), but the torque is amaising. It starts from 3 gear, but jumps like a frog in clouds of bluse smoke and under the noise of burning tiers. Yep... I have an idea to put OM 904 inside the aero, but it requires cutting and welding.... and the other minus.... This engine and tranny are heavy (400 kg). So I need front suspention modification... and may be the othre rear axe would be required.

 

Hey wait a minute Pablo, you told me the 5cyl diesel would not fit in the aero. As far as I can remember 6cylinders are more than 5. LOL Good luck with your adventure.
I never bought those Mercedes, could not get the diesel running and both cars had rusted out bodies. He did get $ 1200 for the pair. AMAZING ! I would have maybe given him 500 if the diesel would start.
My aerostar adventure is coming to an end, scrap price is up and I am saving the interchangable seats for my Dodge short fullsize van. It is better on fuel with a 318/5.2 litre V8 than the 3.0litre aerostar. I am going to save some other parts too.


I actually do like the way the short aerostar handles and drives but the fuel economy is pathetic. My wife will be driving a 95 Ford Taurus now with an identical 3.0 V6. It can get up to 35mpg in the summer.
I wish Ford would have put a 4cyl diesel in the Aerostar from new, I would probably have more than 1!
Cheers

 

Well.... cutting and welding may help put any engine inside any truck....

 

Your 3.0L should get better economy than the Dodge hands down. My mom's 3.0L Aero extended gets 24 mpg. My 4.0L gets around 17 mixed.

 

Aero with 2.5 TDI gets about 29-33 mixed.... really amaizing economy... but Diesel fuel is a bit more expencive here.

 

Diesel is about 20% more than regular unleaded gasoline around here. But if it can get my van 100% better gas mileage, it would be worth it. Mine gets only about 16-17 mixed, 20 at best on freeway on regular (87 octane).

 

5 years ago the diesel was the cheapest fuel here. but........

Today NG, LPG, Methane are popular here. I think about this, but I'm not sure I will own this aero next year, may be I'll gen other trcuk, but If I decide to rebuild my aero from bumper to bumper, I will install NG tanks.

 

Pablo, I have the 1989 3.0L A4LD tranny in my extended wheelbase Aerostar. My tranny case fits the 3.0 only, not the 2.3L,2.9L or 4.0L. Will any size peugeot diesel, about the same year fit my 3.0 A4LD or do I need a different tranny? What other parts are needed from the donor peugeot? I assume I need the flywheel and torque converter and all the engine electronics. Thanks for all your help!

 

A4LD for diesel engine is a bit different. First - bellhousing for diesel engine is unique. It is made in France especially to make A4LD fit Pegeout Diesels, later Ford started to make these bellhousings for 5R55E and modified old Pegeout diesel. Now newer diesels by Ford are called Duratorq. Bellhousings are available in Europe There are Rangers with 5R55E and Duratorq, made in England for exaple.

The other difference - there are no solenoid valves for TC Lock Up and OD. Valve body is a bit different too. Lock Up and OD are actuated with governor. No vac. modulator, but there is a link from HPFP to tranny.

Bun here in Europe Diesel Ford Truck has auto very rare. It is much easier to get engine and tranny together. With 5st tranny aero runs much faster. But the cheappest way to save fuel is to convert aero to CNG ote LPG.