1970 ford f-600 dump
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I have a 333 light duty and need something bigger, but don't know what I can use or how to get it. Also, need more information on the truck it self. Specifications. Any information would be helpful. Thank you.
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I think you mean 330 not 333 right? If it's the 330 then that's an FT engine and you could swap in a 390 without too much problem. You can tell if it's in the FE/FT engine line by looking at the intake. If the intake goes under the valve cover and the push rods go thru the intake then it's part of that line.
I don't know much about the F600, but if your asking about swaping the engine, the 390 is a very good choice.
I don't know much about the F600, but if your asking about swaping the engine, the 390 is a very good choice.
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karljay, thank you for your reply. The engine is a 333 that is what it says on the engine. I went to a Ford dealership today and they told me that I could put a 391 in. I just don't know if that is going to be enough. The truck is solid steel, even the dump bed is steel. When I put 8 yards of dirt in it the other day (about 12,000.lbs) I was lucky to get upto 40 mph. I am getting ready to put a plow on the truck and I am afraid that with the engine that is in it, it will not push the snow. I'm not for sure if it is a F-series or not but it is a Ford 600.
karljay, thank you for your reply. The engine is a 333 that is what it says on the engine. I went to a Ford dealership today and they told me that I could put a 391 in. I just don't know if that is going to be enough. The truck is solid steel, even the dump bed is steel. When I put 8 yards of dirt in it the other day (about 12,000.lbs) I was lucky to get upto 40 mph. I am getting ready to put a plow on the truck and I am afraid that with the engine that is in it, it will not push the snow. I'm not for sure if it is a F-series or not but it is a Ford 600.
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I haven't heard of the 333 before, but then again I'd never heard of a 359MD before seeing one in a U-Haul rental truck and it was a special made FT engine.
If the dealer says you can put in the 391, then it's part of the FE/FT family. That means you can go with the 360,361,390,391,406,410,427,428 and they'll all bolt up. some bolt from the front and back whereas others bolt from the side, but you could re-use your old mounts.
I'd go with a 390 because it's a great truck motor and has higher CR than a 391 and the cranks are easier to find.
If you really want some power, consider the 410/428 crank for about $300. It requires different pistons, flywheel and balancing but it'll make a stock 390 into a 410 and will make excellent low-mid range torque.
A 390 with a nice dual pattern RV type cam, headers can get into the 350~375HP range and make great torque for heavy loads. You should be able to find a 390 setup at a fair price as they were many years.
If the dealer says you can put in the 391, then it's part of the FE/FT family. That means you can go with the 360,361,390,391,406,410,427,428 and they'll all bolt up. some bolt from the front and back whereas others bolt from the side, but you could re-use your old mounts.
I'd go with a 390 because it's a great truck motor and has higher CR than a 391 and the cranks are easier to find.
If you really want some power, consider the 410/428 crank for about $300. It requires different pistons, flywheel and balancing but it'll make a stock 390 into a 410 and will make excellent low-mid range torque.
A 390 with a nice dual pattern RV type cam, headers can get into the 350~375HP range and make great torque for heavy loads. You should be able to find a 390 setup at a fair price as they were many years.
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If you want to change engines in your F-600,and want to be able to use the same bellhousing,motor mounts,etc.the 391 is your engine.I would not use a 390 or any other passenger,light truck engine.The pistons,and cylinder heads on the light duty engines will not take the heat generated by the heavy load the engine will be pulling in a truck like that.
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We have a 1973 Ford F600 Truck in our Fire Department fleet that has the 361 in it. The truck carries several hundred gallons of water and plenty of equipment on it and the 361 has absolutely no problems moving that truck. I would think a 391 should provide plenty of power.
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I could be wrong (and someone will correct me if I am), but I think the motor mounts are different on FE and FT engines. While the engines are very similar, they are not identical. I don't think that a 360 or 390 FE will drop right in to replace a 361 or 391 FT. As someone else pointed out, the bell housings may be different, too.
If you can put a 390 in, you might want to investigate it just because they are considerably cheaper than a 391 (around here, anyway). I, too, would shy away from it just because of durability concerns. The FT's had heavier castings, heavier mounts, forged cranks (cast cranks in the FE), and other mods specifically designed for heavy duty purposes. In fact, some racers modify FT parts (particularly the forged 391 crank) to use them in FE engines because they are more durable. You're taking a chance by putting a light duty motor in a big truck like that.
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If you can put a 390 in, you might want to investigate it just because they are considerably cheaper than a 391 (around here, anyway). I, too, would shy away from it just because of durability concerns. The FT's had heavier castings, heavier mounts, forged cranks (cast cranks in the FE), and other mods specifically designed for heavy duty purposes. In fact, some racers modify FT parts (particularly the forged 391 crank) to use them in FE engines because they are more durable. You're taking a chance by putting a light duty motor in a big truck like that.
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According to my 1977 ford shop manual, the 359-360-361 are identical and the 389-390-391 engines are identical they only differ the the governed rpm's. These are all truck engines. And apparently the only difference between the two groups is stroke. 3.5 versus 3.79 or close to it. The 330 is covered in the same section with these engines. I think someone made a mistake with the 333. The 330 uses most of the same parts as the 359 group. I can't remeber the bore and stroke but will check it out over the weekend.
Keep us informed on how things go.
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Keep us informed on how things go.
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Go with the 391. Heavier main webs and other areas in the block, and sodium filled ex valves (for cooling) will give a much longer service life than a car 390 engine. These engines have a lot of thunder when compared to the 330.
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Thanks to everyone for your input.
I have went to a local dealer and ordered the 391 to put in the truck. That is what they suggested also.
The engine that is in it "is" a 333 light duty engine, that is what it says on the engine. But I have not been able to find anything on this engine. I bought the truck from a farmer, he bought it new and it only has 65,000 miles on the engine. It had never left the farm. So if anybody has any suggestions on what to do with the engine, I'm open to suggestions. Thank you again.
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I have went to a local dealer and ordered the 391 to put in the truck. That is what they suggested also.
The engine that is in it "is" a 333 light duty engine, that is what it says on the engine. But I have not been able to find anything on this engine. I bought the truck from a farmer, he bought it new and it only has 65,000 miles on the engine. It had never left the farm. So if anybody has any suggestions on what to do with the engine, I'm open to suggestions. Thank you again.
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I would like say I'm sorry. I was incorrect about the engine. It is a 330 not a 333. I got up in the engine today and when I cleaned off the plate I seen that I was incorrect. So I thought I would let you know. Sorry. Thanks again for the help.
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The 330 is a gutless POS we had one in a L-700 Ford Fuel truck and the engine never ran that well and it started when it felt like it. If I was gonna spend some money on the truck I would consider converting it to a diesel or try find a newer F-700 or a F-800 for parts to do the swap. A 5.9B Cummins would do the job and have more jam than a 391 gas which is another POS and gas guzzler a 6.6 or a 7.8 Ford inline 6 diesel will also work good too.
If you are not into diesel try find a 429 out of a F-700 or a F-800 as its a heck of alot better than a FE engine.
What speed tranny is in this truck and does it have a two speed rear axle ?
You know 12,000 pounds is quite a bit to carry on a F-600 as they were never designed tobe a heavy hauler especially with the light drive train 19,000 lb rear axles. I wouldn't be surprised you only got 40 mph out of her as these truck are geared fairly low and combined with the low power its a slow go show.
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If you are not into diesel try find a 429 out of a F-700 or a F-800 as its a heck of alot better than a FE engine.
What speed tranny is in this truck and does it have a two speed rear axle ?
You know 12,000 pounds is quite a bit to carry on a F-600 as they were never designed tobe a heavy hauler especially with the light drive train 19,000 lb rear axles. I wouldn't be surprised you only got 40 mph out of her as these truck are geared fairly low and combined with the low power its a slow go show.
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I have read most of the replies to your question. I own and operate a dump truck myself. It is a 1972 Ford (of course) LN 8000. This is a different model than yours. But it is still a 2 axle truck that dumps. My gross vehicle weight is about 33,000 lbs. My truck has the caterpiller deisel engine, rated at 225 H.P. The truck originally came with a 5 speed transmission and a 2 speed rear end. It still has the 2 speed rear end, but it now sports a 10 speed roadranger transmission.
I have had about 6 dump trucks over the years, and if I had your truck, I would either use the 361 engine or the 391. These engines are made for the kind of work you are going to be doing, which is a whole lot different than a pick-up truck. I also have a 1972 Ford 4X4 with a 390 in it that does just wonderful. But it is just a pickup. You might want to go faster, but remember that big, heavy things usually go slow, and take more time to stop as well. I think in the long run, a 361 gas engine would be just the thing. I am guessing you have a 4 speed transmission with a 2 speed rear end. If not, the 2 speed rear end will be a help.
I have had about 6 dump trucks over the years, and if I had your truck, I would either use the 361 engine or the 391. These engines are made for the kind of work you are going to be doing, which is a whole lot different than a pick-up truck. I also have a 1972 Ford 4X4 with a 390 in it that does just wonderful. But it is just a pickup. You might want to go faster, but remember that big, heavy things usually go slow, and take more time to stop as well. I think in the long run, a 361 gas engine would be just the thing. I am guessing you have a 4 speed transmission with a 2 speed rear end. If not, the 2 speed rear end will be a help.
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